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Demonic Pacts Concerning Issue
By Thebestonealive#3234 - MEMBER - December 12, 2022, 19:28:46Hello, there is a very unfair issue regarding Demonic Pacts.
This issue is of course, the instant leveling from 1 - 230.
A top player should absolutely not have the means to do two things:
1. Completely invalidate the time and effort that was previously put into leveling, causing Wakfu to be more about the supposed end goal (230) rather than the experience (leveling from 1 - 230 by doing dungeons, exploring the world, etc.).
2. Control a "black market", which various players even advertise in the trade channels, of leveling services from 1 - 230 in hours. Usually, this costs anywhere from 50,000,000K to 100,000,000K. So, this encourages players who want a "free pass" to 230 to get it, not putting any effort into the game, and back to the first point, invalidating the effort that old players (and legitimate players) spent on this game. Furthermore, the top players doing this have an unfair avenue for Kamas.
For Ankama, this is horrible as well, as there is legitimately zero incentive to level and subscribe, if hypothetically one could just pay the difference and go to level 230. It encourages shady exchanges and things against the ToS.
I haven't resubscribed for plenty of reasons, but these include no language chats and the Demonic Pact disparities.
I hope the developers can fix this issue, by restricting the Demonic Pact EXP gain somehow. The only people who'd be against a fix to the Demonic Pacts are those unfairly abusing the system.
This issue is of course, the instant leveling from 1 - 230.
A top player should absolutely not have the means to do two things:
1. Completely invalidate the time and effort that was previously put into leveling, causing Wakfu to be more about the supposed end goal (230) rather than the experience (leveling from 1 - 230 by doing dungeons, exploring the world, etc.).
2. Control a "black market", which various players even advertise in the trade channels, of leveling services from 1 - 230 in hours. Usually, this costs anywhere from 50,000,000K to 100,000,000K. So, this encourages players who want a "free pass" to 230 to get it, not putting any effort into the game, and back to the first point, invalidating the effort that old players (and legitimate players) spent on this game. Furthermore, the top players doing this have an unfair avenue for Kamas.
For Ankama, this is horrible as well, as there is legitimately zero incentive to level and subscribe, if hypothetically one could just pay the difference and go to level 230. It encourages shady exchanges and things against the ToS.
I haven't resubscribed for plenty of reasons, but these include no language chats and the Demonic Pact disparities.
I hope the developers can fix this issue, by restricting the Demonic Pact EXP gain somehow. The only people who'd be against a fix to the Demonic Pacts are those unfairly abusing the system.
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And secondly, paying someone to level you to max level feels like playing a game and downloading a savestate that puts you in front of the final boss room. Sure you can do it but you will miss out on 90% of the game and you'll have no idea what the plot was.
Wakfu always had disgusting EXP curves even after remodeling, 2x or 3x exp you have on chars lower then your 1st and 2nd maxed lvl is still not enough. Leveling after that 150-170 become an unfunny chore.
"Completely invalidate the time and effort that was previously put into leveling" is really childish way of looking at life in general. Just bc in the past something was harder doesnt mean new waves of players need to go thru simmilar troubles. It's mentality of bitter people "back in my days I went 2h every day to the school, thru mountains of death, fields of ruin, crossing the river of doom. And you dare to ask me to give you a 5min ride with my car?" kind of thinking.
Ankama's lack of protecting their game from ToS valiation is other thing. The system is not a blame if controler don't do the job correctly. Pacts finally making leveling okeish, I don't think it should be per se system that is linked to pvp. Especially when I see max ppl tormenting some newbies near Astrub extortion instead of people doing real pvp but that's a different topic.
Beside belive me power leveling other people is not even a small fraction of wealth centred in endgame players anyway. These are basicly rookie numbers.
These players that buy these services should not really bother you, bc they wouldn't survive the boring art of slow leveling in traditional way of Wakfu. They would just give up and leave. These wouldn't be your potential mates to run duns with or anything.
You adressing the wrong mechanic for the problem that is kinda bound to human nature more then the mechanic itself. And I can't stop the feeling that it's more of the spite post with the way you talk about it.
I'm okay with lowering the exp curve for everybody and I'm okay with more exp weekends. The difference here is that it benefits everybody.
Secondly, as I stated in my post, the only people offended by my post as you clearly are, benefit from this broken system or know people who do. This isn't a "spite post" it is a call to fix a problem. Okay, you have benefitted from your powerleveling using the Demonic Pacts, I'm not calling for your sanctioning because theoretically you did nothing wrong. All you did was use the system (maybe, maybe not, as I said, plenty break the ToS in doing so).
"Ankama's lack of protecting their game from ToS valiation is other thing. The system is not a blame if controler don't do the job correctly."
So, you acknowledge the problem, but complain that my post is childish and spiteful, wonderful.
Here's a thought: this is a game. If the game does not feel like it is worth your time because at the end of the day, it is pixels, people won't play your game. That's the reason that invalidating players' time is horrible for an MMO. Again, tell me why I should subscribe given everything I stated?
Well it's less about being able to skip most of the game and more that your reason for disliking it being because "they didn't earn it the correct way".
Sure pact abuse might be problematic, but not because "it invalidates your effort", that's like getting mad because someone can beat a game on easy mode that you beat on hard and got the same achievement
You brought up how it effects Ankamas bottom line while ignoring the fact that a good chunk of “endgame” people buy kamas either through conversion stones or through illicit activity. Whose to say that the person buying a power level isn’t doing it for an alt? Someone who has already “experienced the game” as you put it.
Whose to say they’re not gonna spend IRL money on conversion stones to gear up at 230?
If anything the leveling experience not being an absolute brainless slog makes me want to play the game again rather than push me away from it.
My biggest gripe with the addition of 215 and then 230 was that it’s just more meaningless grind so that we can jump back on the gear treadmill to do the same stuff we did at 200 all over again. Who wouldn’t wanna skip that process?
1.- I don't feel invalidated the slightless. I don't really care if xXNaruto-UchihaXx reached lvl 230 in less than a day to be honest. Some players goal is to reach max level as soon as possible, others preffer to explore, other dedicate to trading and crafting, others just play casually during the week, others want to catch up faster to their friends to do content together, each player has their way to experience and advance through the game (in any game, as long as it is according to the rules). As a casual player, I would buy the service to be honest to make secondary characters usable as soon as posible and try the end-game stuff with them.
2.- There is also effort put behind both buying and selling the service. A player who is willing to powerlevel others through a pact has put effort into building characters (usually a full team), gearing them, understanding the classes, dungeons and has the strenght to protect their loot from other hunters. On the other hand, paying 100mk is not a small thing and a new player will never pay that amount right off the bat, this service is mostly bought, in my opinion, by players who already have experience in the game and want to speed up the leveling of secondary characters or those last levels. This isn't something everyone is doing, just those who can afford it which is a small amount of players.
I have never paid for a demonic pact loot or any powerleveling service and yet I am against nerfing the system because I like it, I like the wildness of it. And there is nothing stopping others from killing those powerlevelers and taking away their hours of loot and exp, this thing goes both ways. If you feel like it is unfair then go and try to steal some chests, nothing is stopping others from doing so and that's also the idea behind the demonic pacts.