I am currently on my tenth round of "4/6 186 Daily Boss Room", and know it is because basically no English speaker has recruitment chat on because of the language barrier. I honestly do NOT know why I keep subscribing, when all we English speakers do is consistently get ignored. I am at a breaking point.
A Party Finder would solve that issue tbh. Instead of having to spam a message in a specific language, all you'd have to do is queue to the dungeon and wait without any language limitation. That + preset phrases would make this game an amazing one.
It's crazy how a game with more than 100 dungeons lacks a Dungeon Finder
In Dofus you can choose and communicate in the language of the community and Ankama does not complain there that they have a problem with moderating 5 languages. That's what community orientation is.
We have been writing for a year that English-language messages are lost among other languages, but nothing has been done about this.
Many players left, because when choosing a server they see an English-speaking flag, but inside the game they face a fragmented community. But lately I've been seeing a lot more English-speaking guilds recruiting people. It seems to me that the guild system needs to be improved, it would be great if two different guilds could make alliances so that there would be some joint special events.
Yes, creating global communication chats will cause a huge moderation burden considering how much drama there is in Wakfu communities (lies, provocations, spreading rumours etc). The current system of two global chats (recruitment and trade) is much more convenient to moderate.
Just it would be better if the user who chose one international language for example EN had Trade [EN] and Recruitment [EN]
I don't think that changing the chat is difficult, for some reason nothing was done about it, and the development of the group search system was completely abandoned by the current development team. They have their own position on this issue (in short, it will create an interaction situation), however, in a game where the player population does not increase, the group search system would not bad.
Sometimes when I grouped up in daily 201+ dungeons people from other language communities didn't know which dungeon to go to specifically, so the group finder is a reliable tool where you clearly show the purpose of the group search, the role, and the dungeon you want to go to. This system makes it much easier to interact on an international server where people speak different international languages.
And this idea worked for over a decade in another game, DCUniverse Online, where you don't even HAVE an actual entrance to "dungeons", you simply pick one, Queue, and the game will find all the players queueing to the same content and put them together! You can also queue with your specific role to make sure it's not a party only with DPSs.
100% agreed. Sadly, Ankama apparently scrapped this idea for some unknown reason. Makes no sense.
I asked them last ankama live and they said something like "we don't plan to fix the group finder, because we think that finding other players in the world to run dungeons brings the comunity together and an automated group finder would bypass that" and that "the least players voted for it's rework in the poll about reworks"
I don' t think separating global chats would fix that tho, I have ran quite a few dungeons with people who spoke french lately and they were really friendy, eve tho they didn't speak english that well.
Separating chats by lanuage would just exclude bilingual people from one of the channels, making it even harder to find people to group with.
A simple thing they could add is a system that auto-translates linked items in chat, I mean it literally show the item if you right click on the link, why aren't they automatically translated. The dungeon names could also be translated, would make things a bit easier.
not necessarily, if a bilingual person chooses two languages, then he can use two chats. There are many stories of spanish speaking players not being very welcoming to English speaking players and not trying to communicate.
but if you can use built-in phrases that will be automatically translated, then I also like your idea. for example if we can link dungeon to chat that will automatically translate. link class too, because there are differences in how they are called. i like your idea with automatic translator
I mentioned in the past about following a system seen in other MMOs with quick chat where the game has a collection of phrases that you can use to communicate, things such as "lets group up." "I am looking for Items" "Please heal me this turn." ect. but I think the topic was moderated aha.
I feel even with dungeon finder/group finder you may still run into the language barrier problem if someone doesn't understand the fight itself.
A system similar to a message wheel would be great for inclusion and accessibility.
For example, Brazilian (Portuguese speakers) Dota 2 players are forced to play with the South America server, and as such it's very common for them to be matched together with Spanish speaking players. But they play fine with each other nowadays because of the Chat Wheel providing predetermined messages that are automatically translated to each language.
100% agreed. Sadly, Ankama apparently scrapped this idea for some unknown reason. Makes no sense.
I asked them last ankama live and they said something like "we don't plan to fix the group finder, because we think that finding other players in the world to run dungeons brings the comunity together and an automated group finder would bypass that"
That would be such an incredibly poor excuse from the team that's not backed-up by anything. There is not a single mmorpg where a Dungeon Finder has caused a negative impact in the community or affected negatively the social aspect of the game. There has been some controversy in WoW but there isn't real proof that the cons would outweight the pros, most of the arguments are made by players who cherish and associate the constant LFG spam as a way to socialize and interact with others which might be true in some degree BUT (if im not mistaken) Wakfu has way more dungeons than WoW, Wakfu has a community spreaded accross multiple level brackets and some level brackets have dungeons that share the same level requeriment, we have multiple languages, 18 classes, Wakfu has a lot more filters than WoW in order to do something and not having a Dungeon Finder is actually HURTING the game.
A Dungeon/Party Finder is not a commodity, is a necessity and a basic tool that should be present is pretty much every mmorpg specially one such as Wakfu where the main activity is "dungeoneering". Wakfu is all about dungeons, it affects the economy, the character progressions and even story progression. There is not a single valid reason to not have on at this point in my honest opinion.
Why are english speakers so dramatic? turning off a whole chat just because people type in another language? spanish speakers get by just fine in other games where the predominant language is english. You're not unable to get a full group because people are typing in the chat in another language.
MisutoKiriya#5867|2022-07-11 02:31:02
No one is being dramatic, That sort of attitude is what causes frustration between the communities.
I can admit I have been insulted multiple times for not being able to speak Spanish while trying to trade but never any other language; Over time it just makes you jaded.
turning off recruitment chat because of a "language barrier" IS being dramatic, you put out your message, english speakers read it and accept or they don't.
spanish speakers have always been put down for not being able to speak english, english speakers arent exactly the warmest, kindest, most welcoming to spanish speakers either, dont agree with insults tho i can understand their disdain. im not opposed to language chats or filtering the section by language but idk this whole thing can be boiled down to hispanics are mean... like ok? would it be better if they were mean english speakers? just ignore them, its not like you can understand them.
No one is being dramatic, That sort of attitude is what causes frustration between the communities.
I can admit I have been insulted multiple times for not being able to speak Spanish while trying to trade but never any other language; Over time it just makes you jaded.
I mean there's rude people in every langauge, but personally most of the spanish people i met for dungeon runs were quite polite, even if they didn't speak english well
i wondering if the merge between pandora and rubilax happen ... they wont do a separate language channel?
they wont do anything on this for rubilax err ..elbor 2.0
It's crazy how a game with more than 100 dungeons lacks a Dungeon Finder
We have been writing for a year that English-language messages are lost among other languages, but nothing has been done about this.
Many players left, because when choosing a server they see an English-speaking flag, but inside the game they face a fragmented community.
But lately I've been seeing a lot more English-speaking guilds recruiting people. It seems to me that the guild system needs to be improved, it would be great if two different guilds could make alliances so that there would be some joint special events.
Yes, creating global communication chats will cause a huge moderation burden considering how much drama there is in Wakfu communities (lies, provocations, spreading rumours etc). The current system of two global chats (recruitment and trade) is much more convenient to moderate.
Just it would be better if the user who chose one international language for example EN had Trade [EN] and Recruitment [EN]
I don't think that changing the chat is difficult, for some reason nothing was done about it, and the development of the group search system was completely abandoned by the current development team. They have their own position on this issue (in short, it will create an interaction situation), however, in a game where the player population does not increase, the group search system would not bad.
Sometimes when I grouped up in daily 201+ dungeons people from other language communities didn't know which dungeon to go to specifically, so the group finder is a reliable tool where you clearly show the purpose of the group search, the role, and the dungeon you want to go to. This system makes it much easier to interact on an international server where people speak different international languages.
I asked them last ankama live and they said something like "we don't plan to fix the group finder, because we think that finding other players in the world to run dungeons brings the comunity together and an automated group finder would bypass that" and that "the least players voted for it's rework in the poll about reworks"
I don' t think separating global chats would fix that tho, I have ran quite a few dungeons with people who spoke french lately and they were really friendy, eve tho they didn't speak english that well.
Separating chats by lanuage would just exclude bilingual people from one of the channels, making it even harder to find people to group with.
A simple thing they could add is a system that auto-translates linked items in chat, I mean it literally show the item if you right click on the link, why aren't they automatically translated. The dungeon names could also be translated, would make things a bit easier.
but if you can use built-in phrases that will be automatically translated, then I also like your idea. for example if we can link dungeon to chat that will automatically translate. link class too, because there are differences in how they are called. i like your idea with automatic translator
I feel even with dungeon finder/group finder you may still run into the language barrier problem if someone doesn't understand the fight itself.
For example, Brazilian (Portuguese speakers) Dota 2 players are forced to play with the South America server, and as such it's very common for them to be matched together with Spanish speaking players. But they play fine with each other nowadays because of the Chat Wheel providing predetermined messages that are automatically translated to each language.
That would be such an incredibly poor excuse from the team that's not backed-up by anything. There is not a single mmorpg where a Dungeon Finder has caused a negative impact in the community or affected negatively the social aspect of the game. There has been some controversy in WoW but there isn't real proof that the cons would outweight the pros, most of the arguments are made by players who cherish and associate the constant LFG spam as a way to socialize and interact with others which might be true in some degree BUT (if im not mistaken) Wakfu has way more dungeons than WoW, Wakfu has a community spreaded accross multiple level brackets and some level brackets have dungeons that share the same level requeriment, we have multiple languages, 18 classes, Wakfu has a lot more filters than WoW in order to do something and not having a Dungeon Finder is actually HURTING the game.
A Dungeon/Party Finder is not a commodity, is a necessity and a basic tool that should be present is pretty much every mmorpg specially one such as Wakfu where the main activity is "dungeoneering". Wakfu is all about dungeons, it affects the economy, the character progressions and even story progression. There is not a single valid reason to not have on at this point in my honest opinion.
turning off recruitment chat because of a "language barrier" IS being dramatic, you put out your message, english speakers read it and accept or they don't.
spanish speakers have always been put down for not being able to speak english, english speakers arent exactly the warmest, kindest, most welcoming to spanish speakers either, dont agree with insults tho i can understand their disdain. im not opposed to language chats or filtering the section by language but idk this whole thing can be boiled down to hispanics are mean... like ok? would it be better if they were mean english speakers? just ignore them, its not like you can understand them.
I can admit I have been insulted multiple times for not being able to speak Spanish while trying to trade but never any other language; Over time it just makes you jaded.
they wont do anything on this for rubilax err ..elbor 2.0
We are aware of this concern. We've shared your sentiments with the team for discussion.