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Which one is the best Helm for Feca? (Opinions)

By Fluffenstein April 18, 2016, 16:17:25

I'm really puzzled about this one. I have 3 (4) options and need some opinions to make me decide.
Koko Beanie has some pretty solid Damage (read Shields), Block, Lock and Dodge. Good resists.

Dora Borette has some pretty solid resists and damage (read shields). Good Block, Lock and Dodge.

+1 Range, +251 HP, +55 Lock, +7 Block, +122 Close Combat Damage, +41 Resist to 3 elements and +20 Critical Hit Resistance. Seems kind of a strange item, but maybe I'm just overlooking it.

Ancient Hat is more like a budget decision, that actually has some pretty solid resists, OK Block, Lock and damage. Plus it has +20 Critical Hit Resistance.

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For a pure tank feca, Dora Marron is best IMO.

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deadcafe|2016-04-18 20:04:38
For a pure tank feca, Dora Marron is best IMO.
Marron? not when you can get your missing 70 (and 10 extra) water res back with feca master passive. The borette gives 50% more elemental damage, 30% more single target more than marron. it also has more block. the 10 lock and 25 HP are not worth it.

@fluffenstein, borette has more HP, better resist (even if you add in the 20% crit res), 5 more lock, and 58% more damage that contributes to shield than the new moon helmet you posted. Is that worth 1 block?

kokobeanie has 15 more HP and 3 more block, is that worth 10% damage that contributes to shield or 30 resistance in 3 elements?

As for ancient hat, it isn't that bad, it isn't meant for end game gear, but I would strongly encourage you to put in the grind for the borette eventually. It's fine as interim gear if you can't afford the other stuff. My previous questions weere not rhetoric by the way, if you really think the stats are worth it go for it. It's your decision to make, I just gave you some facts.
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I've crafted the Borette. After lots of thinking I've decided to go for the resists, instead of 3 more block and some more lock and dodge. Borette is beast.

But thanks for the feedback. You just proved me right smile 

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Feca passive bugged.

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Imho main options are:

  • Looni Lid - good shields and good range/block, pretty bad resist though
  • Borette - good shields and resist, no range
Dunil hat doesn't buff Feca shields so it's kinda bad, but it still works.
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Y-ster|2016-04-18 22:58:57
deadcafe|2016-04-18 20:04:38
For a pure tank feca, Dora Marron is best IMO.
Marron? not when you can get your missing 70 (and 10 extra) water res back with feca master passive. The borette gives 50% more elemental damage, 30% more single target more than marron. it also has more block. the 10 lock and 25 HP are not worth it.

@fluffenstein, borette has more HP, better resist (even if you add in the 20% crit res), 5 more lock, and 58% more damage that contributes to shield than the new moon helmet you posted. Is that worth 1 block?

kokobeanie has 15 more HP and 3 more block, is that worth 10% damage that contributes to shield or 30 resistance in 3 elements?

As for ancient hat, it isn't that bad, it isn't meant for end game gear, but I would strongly encourage you to put in the grind for the borette eventually. It's fine as interim gear if you can't afford the other stuff. My previous questions weere not rhetoric by the way, if you really think the stats are worth it go for it. It's your decision to make, I just gave you some facts.
You could do this, I guess but then you take a resist hit in earth due to Riktus Cape. I still think Marron is better.
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deadcafe|2016-04-19 03:08:46
Riktus Cape.
Why would you ever take riktus cape instead of lucloak as a feca?
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shankissimo|2016-04-19 02:25:01
Dunil hat doesn't buff Feca shields so it's kinda bad, but it still works.
I beg to differ. You've probably missed they changed how Close Combat affects Feca Shields now. Basically it affects them fully. Close Combat is godly stat for tank Feca now. Ah, yes, affects glyphs as well, as long as the targets are in melee range.

deadcafe|2016-04-19 03:08:46
You could do this, I guess but then you take a resist hit in earth due to Riktus Cape. I still think Marron is better.
I really doubt anyone would chose any other relic over Lucloak, as Y-ster already said. No other non-native AP item could be better, than those you can put to all the other slots. I've been running around with Lucloak + Indestructible Boots, recently changed to Dunil Boots, Durable Shield and Lucloak.

Anthonyandrew2|2016-04-19 01:47:25
Feca passive bugged.
I can't use it still, doesn't fit my build, but at level 200... smile
I wonder if they are aware it's bugged? Was it reported? (Like it matters...)
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Y-ster|2016-04-19 07:26:27
deadcafe|2016-04-19 03:08:46
Riktus Cape.
Why would you ever take riktus cape instead of lucloak as a feca?
TL;DR: Because you realize that it's better to have higher resists than 12AP.

A tank feca has *one job*: tanking. You stand there and force as many critters as you can to hit you instead of your allies and you are still standing when they are done.

I've found that handing out buffs isn't gonna use up all your AP half the time since you often don't have line of sight to your allies because (if you are doing your job right) are you are surrounded by foes. So what are you going to use that extra AP for anyway? You're a feca and you've got The Rock passive in your deck. You're not actually gonna attack anything are you? smile

OTOH, resists matter. The difference between 83% and 86% resists is significant, particularly in high level PVE. The amount of additional good you can deal with 1 extra AP is not significant.

So, IMO, Dora Marron. smile
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deadcafe|2016-04-20 04:11:29
Y-ster|2016-04-19 07:26:27
deadcafe|2016-04-19 03:08:46
Riktus Cape.
Why would you ever take riktus cape instead of lucloak as a feca?
TL;DR: Because you realize that it's better to have higher resists than 12AP.

A tank feca has *one job*: tanking. You stand there and force as many critters as you can to hit you instead of your allies and you are still standing when they are done.

I've found that handing out buffs isn't gonna use up all your AP half the time since you often don't have line of sight to your allies because (if you are doing your job right) are you are surrounded by foes. So what are you going to use that extra AP for anyway? You're a feca and you've got The Rock passive in your deck. You're not actually gonna attack anything are you? smile

OTOH, resists matter. The difference between 83% and 86% resists is significant, particularly in high level PVE. The amount of additional good you can deal with 1 extra AP is not significant.

So, IMO, Dora Marron. smile
Riktus cape has higher resist than lucloak? excuse me, but how? all element resist is ALWAYS better than tri as feca, with the exception of the borrette, because the damage for orb is too good. lucloak has better resist and damage than riktus cape, more armor, better resist, marron is viable, but borette is better (unless fecamaster passive is glitched for you) What relic are you using that's worth dropping lucloak for?
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Resists:
Riktus + Marron = 115 Fire, 115 Water, 115 Air, 55 Earth (400 total)
Borette + Lucloak = 120 Fire, 50 Water, 120 Air, 120 Earth (410 total)

Block:
Riktus + Marron = 4, 6 (10 total)
Borette + Lucloak = 6, 11 (17 total)

Damage (Shields):
Riktus + Marron = 80+30, 60+20 (140+50 total)
Borette + Lucloak = 120+30+30, 75+25 (195+30+55 total)

Lock:
Riktus + Marron = 70, 50 (120)
Borette + Lucloak = 60, 40 (100)

Dodge:
Riktus + Marron = 40 (40 total)
Borette + Lucloak = 40 (40 total)
HP:
Riktus + Marron = 280, 288 (568 total)
Borette + Lucloak = 255, 300 (556 total)

Nope. Nope. Nope. No way, I repeat - No way Riktus + Marron could be better than Lucloak + Borette. I know one of 'em is a Relic, but still, there is no other Relic in the game, that could be viable, apart from Asse Shield, which gimps you in PvE in my opinion. And here we go Asse vs. Durable Shield

Resists:
Asse 50 to all
Durable 40 to all

Block:
Asse 19
Durable 15

HP:
Asse 371
Durable 400

Asse gives 15 CH Resistance, 15 BS Resistance, making your build 11/6, forcing you on subpar Indestructible Boots.

What's the point, OVERALL, to go for the same resists and 11/6 with low level items, when you can go 12/6 with higher level items, more damage (shields), more block... no, no. Enough. Asse+Riktus+Marron+Indestructible Boots can never be better than Durable, Lucloak+Borette+Nyl Boots (if you don't have Sabatataons)

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Fluffenstein|2016-04-20 09:32:53
Resists:
Riktus + Marron = 115 Fire, 115 Water, 115 Air, 55 Earth (400 total)
Borette + Lucloak = 120 Fire, 50 Water, 120 Air, 120 Earth (410 total)

Block:
Riktus + Marron = 4, 6 (10 total)
Borette + Lucloak = 6, 11 (17 total)

Damage (Shields):
Riktus + Marron = 80+30, 60+20 (140+50 total)
Borette + Lucloak = 120+30+30, 75+25 (195+30+55 total)

Lock:
Riktus + Marron = 70, 50 (120)
Borette + Lucloak = 60, 40 (100)

Dodge:
Riktus + Marron = 40 (40 total)
Borette + Lucloak = 40 (40 total)
HP:
Riktus + Marron = 280, 288 (568 total)
Borette + Lucloak = 255, 300 (556 total)

Nope. Nope. Nope. No way, I repeat - No way Riktus + Marron could be better than Lucloak + Borette. I know one of 'em is a Relic, but still, there is no other Relic in the game, that could be viable, apart from Asse Shield, which gimps you in PvE in my opinion. And here we go Asse vs. Durable Shield

Resists:
Asse 50 to all
Durable 40 to all

Block:
Asse 19
Durable 15

HP:
Asse 371
Durable 400

Asse gives 15 CH Resistance, 15 BS Resistance, making your build 11/6, forcing you on subpar Indestructible Boots.

What's the point, OVERALL, to go for the same resists and 11/6 with low level items, when you can go 12/6 with higher level items, more damage (shields), more block... no, no. Enough. Asse+Riktus+Marron+Indestructible Boots can never be better than Durable, Lucloak+Borette+Nyl Boots (if you don't have Sabatataons)
^ exactly

Except I still prefer inde boots to any other option in the game at this point.
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My resists are 86/86/86/84 before combat starts. What's yours?

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You realise asse is 80 res and durable is 40 and durable prevents you from using indestr boots which are the tankiest boots in the game(only nyl boots can compete)?

I don't imagine any self-respecting feca using sabatontons because they gimp range lmfao

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shankissimo|2016-04-20 22:26:50
You realise asse is 80 res and durable is 40 and durable prevents you from using indestr boots which are the tankiest boots in the game?
Asse is 50 res plus 15 backstab and 15 crit resistance. And yes I realize that inde boots are an epic and so is dura, which is why I run troyle shield and inde boots. (I don't need the lock from dimensional shield) the 15 crit and backstab res can hardly be considered all element, back stab is highly conditional, but I'll give you crit resist, because late game many classes have 100 or almost 100 crit. so 65 to 40 still not really worth the loss of your AP and shield imo.

deadcafe|2016-04-20 22:17:08
My resists are 86/86/86/84 before combat starts. What's yours?
75/75/75/75 because I'm level 166, don't have most of my end game gear, and Barely have anything runed

shankissimo|2016-04-20 22:26:50
I don't imagine any self-respecting feca using sabatontons because they gimp range lmfao
^ another reason why I still prefer inde boots to any other options
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Forget the range gain? In the end it breaks down to what you want from your feca.

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shankissimo|2016-04-20 22:34:58
Forget the range gain? In the end it breaks down to what you want from your feca.
when I can use bubble and get +4 range and at 175 will be taking range major? Range isn't even something to debate as worth an AP point as feca. Not to mention, inversion gives +2 range as well, so if you inversion for 1 WP and then Peace armor to negate most of inversions negative effect (exactly half of it, but then you can immunity the next turn if you have both), you'll have all the range in the world.
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But if you gear for range, you don't have to use bubble on yourself.

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shankissimo|2016-04-20 22:47:35
But if you gear for range, you don't have to use bubble on yourself.
You also don't if you utilize your 6 range teleport and +2 MP that you get from it, which, provided you have 6 MP, should make you able to move 14 spaces before casting most (the exceptions being anything with MP cost) spells. In PvE you should rarely be casting bubble on yourself unless it's to keep from blocking ally los. gearing for range is in-advisable, most +range gear isn't as good for tanking as other options for those slots, the exception being Asse.
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