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MINERAL TOWER UPDATE my new build ideas, any feedback welcome!

By SirPercedal - MEMBER - June 21, 2017, 17:01:04
-07.01.2018-Mineral builds-
100% crit build and 8wp (10%crit from Measured rune) http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#N$jrS0C
Offtanky build (more res but only 92%crit) http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#K-uJodO
full hp build (95%crit) http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#!bVXFst
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Thanks to Kruzy99RaderElcaroman and HateSpawn for big help with this build its a pleasure to discuss with such nice guys! I recomend to try Spawn's 11/7 bulid here and if u struggle with any Iop question here is his guide.
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Hello everyone!
(07.01.2018)
Mineral Items update build ideas:
100% crit build and 8wp (10%crit from Measured rune) http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#N$jrS0C
Offtanky build (more res but only 92%crit) http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#K-uJodO
Cloak choices: In offtank build u can go Panache Cloak insted of Forgotten. Its really nice too and allow u to go full hp if u want to, with Forgotten i suggest goin hp to armor bc of Forgotten special buff
Ring choices: Wa gives additional 2% crit so its nice, gives u possibility to go 100% crit build, but in offtanky build u can swap for Exploded Ring or Gon Door Hinge depends of your choice between st and cc. Or if u strugle with wakfu points Sprecious is nice solution for u
Belt choices: In both build u can go Gray XII Belt insted of Trapper but i preffer trapper much more, if u land crit (even in 92% ctit is almost always) its only 10 dmg less then Gray, trapper have 30 more res, and we are all enutrof inside and that 30 prop is nice thing tbh xD
If u dont wanna have crit on belt go Forgotten Belt, but tbh i think its worth to have crits on belt.
Emblem choices: In 100% crit u need Turquoise Dofus Fragment but in offtanky its up to you if u like have more crit go for it and swap Ebony with Turquoise.
Runes choices: Instead of willpower runes u can go dogde if u feel that u need it
(For interested this is how full hp build looks, also with crit on 95% but u can swap for Ebony dofus and go to 92% as always your choice http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#!bVXFst)
~~!~~Here is critless Iop, 3700 sum mastery res 71-73, Im sure that someone can make it better then me bc i dont spend to much time on this but this can be good base to work on http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#g6N_6zp Iop without crits sounds really like not Iop but always worth to look on as many options as possible
I'm waitin for your feedback.
Greetings,
Percy.
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I don't see why you would be playing a ST/melee hybrid. There's little to no benefit over playing a full melee build.

Cape Anache offers Block which you can never have enough of.
Sandales Eze offer flat resist, just as much mastery as Asse Shoes, lock/dodge and block too.
Brouyar and Dague Azeuze offer no crits and meh resist while Honeyjumble seems like a better weapon overall with high resist, crits and lots of mastery.
Initiative runes are a complete waste and offer you no advantage/bonus in fight.

Helmet, Amulet, Breastplate, Ring and Belt are good choices though and I would stick with those.

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Yea u have right with items, i can agree with that part. I thought earlier about this cape and boots, weapon choice is better too. But if u replace boots my build will be 11/6 and this is big problem. I think the most felxible epic is ring from new dunTramontanneau, right?
Yea i know ini is not the best choice, but i never know what i shoul put in these rune slot, flat hp? It combine with Iop passive. Or i should go for another ap from runes?
I would like to play full ST but items dont let me. I always kill mobs one by one and i really like utility of Rockneceros, and ST buff this spele too.
Anyway thanks for feedback and help Kruzy, i will surely replace items and thinkin about epic, but i think the best choice is ring in this case.

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My iop is super melee thou. My plan for the future and I think i might change it because of the update.

http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#cX6TFw!

I want some feedback too.

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Definitely consider changing stuff.

Asse Shoes isn't a great choice because they're lacking dodge and block. Same goes for the Coat of the Sorceror-King.
Helmpaulettes got no crits on them and Prismatic Buckle is probably out of reach for a bit.

You should also aim for higher block, survivability is very important in Zinit and block will definitely help with that especially on your first turn.

I would also suggest to go for statting Dodge or Dodge & Lock instead as the dodging aspect will be more important for you to hit enemies from the side/back or escape when necessary. Locking Pro is lackluster as passive choice and you should rather go for Carnage instead.

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What u think about this one?  http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#BMp-4TQ

I thougt about add Shield for relic, I chose one hand and bp, and this is more tanky way

pros:
+4% air res (74% 617)
+ 2% water res (71% 557)
+ 2% fire res (73% 587)
+ 2% earth res (73% 587)
+ 19%  block
+ 65 dodge
+ 65 lock

cons:
- 100 cc&st dmg
- 30 air&fire dmg
- 230 earth dmg (3rd element use only charge and rocknoceros)
- 9% crit hit

I just wondering about more survi but Im not sure if worth to done that.
P.S And i thinking about other pet too? After change with sidekicks, mb corum or milimoowolf will swap crow Im still think about 60 ST and 3% crit hit vs 30hp 20 res and 3% crit hit from corum or 60hp 20 res 5 block. Im not sure what stat is more viable.
P.P.S and mb Gallunctuous for Spicy Epaulettes

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Lil update to higher res with Fan Shield build
http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#OCE74Jf
Corum can be swaped with Milimoowolf too for even more tanky build.

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this looks rather good,although i would recommand archaic pendant over that amulet,as a block bonus's always a blessing on iops

for the the pet choices going for croum is usually what everyone is interested on nowdays
the gallunctuous/spicy epaulette are both close to equally good epaulettes,you should just chose the one that gives you the most balanced resistances.but personally,if you use charge and rockneros,going 3elemental would be definitely a moreinteresting pick,i would recommand you to check this build

http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#rAYGwla

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Hmm your build a lil move res ballanse in other way. But mb u have right, 3 ele can be a better option for me. Lots of time rocknoceros its a decent way to deal dmg and let me be usefull in lots of zinit 2 Lavas when terrain is detroyed or 2/3 phase of badger, charge is good option to move around the map. But still most of time I do air combos.

In your build I lost some os survi but get 3 strong ele and more crit mastery and block, and as u say block is godness and mb its worth. I wanna try lots of ways to finnaly decide what my Iop need the most.

And about a pet, what u think about the corum after pet scaling? U think he will be still in pet "meta"?

Thanks for your advice Elradoman I will surely think about your build a lil bit.

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What about boots and belt rune slot? I still wondering beetween dodge its really helpfull on zinit duns or pure hp. Ini is not viable so much as on moon content.

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runing hp over dodge will only give a bonus of 500hp in the end,which isn't valuable compared to what 100more dodge allows youto do

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http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#sRfpr!K

This is my build. It is a dual element and I'm hoping to get a feedback again too.
Advance thank you for those who will help. happy

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i'll try to keep your idea of youtrying to fit minute boboots over easandals (that i am highly questioning),but the water resistance won't do at all,as well as you can't work efficently with only 5 pm on iop (knowing you can only move 3cell to get on a target before you start losing damages to move any further due to the ability to cast less gutting gust),now,if you include a positioner that plays just before you and will always be dedicated to throw you near your target ,your build will then be rentabilised at the price of someap from your positiooner,plus,coat of sorceror king hold no block,very low resists and crit masteries you can really pass on,
other iop capes are way better choice to go for,while mark vii hold an exellent block for the slot it takes,and even if the control's useless,its still a great breastplate for iops
(trapper belt having a wp bonus and chimney being the only 3ele epa that work on iop make their crit masteries a less of a drawback since its unique items in their kind)

but if not,you will want instead try to work around 6 mp if you wanna include boboots minutes and try this build
slightly lower fire/water resist
http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#GWDM$-w
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slightly lower earth and air resist
http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#IfllMO4
the high control start to feel awkward tho


but ideally i would just rather try working on the build i posted a bit above :p

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My mate's high dmg build:
http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#yVU9Qtj

Pros:
Much more (245) air&fire mastery + lil bit (5 xD) more earth mastery
More ST+CC mastery (135)
lil bit more dodge (30)

Cons:
11% less water res
2% less air res
4% less block
3% less crit
80 less crit mastery
10 less lock

What u think about these one?

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http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#_iSAWDu

Here is my edited version of his build, I balanced res and it seems pretty nice now
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Hello again sir perse it is good to have some other builds to share. I would like to share that I've liked your final version of your build. My problem is I already got the coat of sorceror-king in full slot. But nevertheless I thank you for giving me other options while I completing this builds.

Cheers to all the iops out there too biggrin

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Study other ppl's builds can only make your own better. Other point of view can inform u what u doing bad and what good.

And remeber different builds can be better in different situations, we have 4 new unique duns, we can have unnusual team comp. When u will have base iteams on your all characters u can always collect other items as replacment for items u have c;

Im still looking for better build and gameplay as a Iop. Im sure that only playing and chating with other players allow me to study my class better. Thats why I don't abandon this thread, for me this is a way I fallowed. And here is an ideas of other ppl that knows something about the game.

Bc lots of ppl have simillar but completly other thinking about Iop role. For part of players Iop is goddness meele heavy hitter and don't need res, need only higher and higher numbers with dmg combined. For other Iop is a strong meele dmg dealer but he serve ass offtank to and need to have more protect gear. Im still not sure what path I should fallow. For me that survi I get in my final version of build is really solid and usefull but Im still thinking about other Iop friends opinion about being strongest hitter in the world of 12.

Thanks for engage in disscusion mate ^^

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Hello everyone we need to open up this thread again. We get new items and I working for updated build.
I have many ideas and many dilemmas. Bc I would love to go epic relic ring and Reinforced Shell as BP. But I not sure bc of -10%crit hit, on the other hand we have Bravery passive and high crit hit anyway and its boosted to cap by Bravery. Many capabilities.
Im waiting for your ideas for build with new items!
Greetings,
Percy

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thanks to the new items,going on a 100% crit chance iop is very possible,making crit mastery items way more viable on iop rather than a situational pick for the advantage they give

so far that is what i came up with (i included the 10% crt chance from the special rune that give 10% ch upon having 40% block)
http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#2Qss7cg

but i must admit the mastery is pretty low in this build (2825) due to the usage of a shield at the price of guaranted crits everytime,but and all resistances easly above 70,and block on 60%,which make this build well balanced between offence and defence

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uhh, just chiming in.

1) after around 2,500 mastery I started to find that we Iops start doing preposterous damage. We start to kill Crocs for 2 AP. At a certain point our limitation is based on mobility, not on AP to blow things up. For this reason, I find that 11 AP/7 MP is much more potent.

2) I've been shifting away from Melee items and towards Single Target as well, but there are exceptions.

3) For quicker fights, higher initiative is incredibly useful. Do consider that as an option. We ARE one of the few classes with incredible 1 turn dps potential.

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Hatespawn calling 11/7 valuable? did calling arekushisu pay off? tongue

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Since I've made my set public, I'll go ahead and post both the current set (for optimal resist/damage hybrid), and of course an alternate set with 12/6 and optimized for low stasis/grinding. 

Mark VII is pretty much the worst relic in the game if you ask me. You can achieve better damage with Coat of 9, and better resist with Fan shield. This is a game about specialization, not about trying to balance a loss of 40 air resist on your bp.

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Thanks for sharin your builds HateSpawn, u are very valuable player in Iop community!

For sure MarkVII is not the most fit relic for Iop, but grants mix of survi and dmg, thats why it was my first choice. Fan Shield and Coat give a personified way to go full DPT or more Off-Tank style. And I'll be honest with u guys I cannot decide what is the better choice for me.

About the item-build:

-Fan Shield Build- Im not sure about the Forgotten Coat, Panache Cloak gives u better stats even if u lose that 3x10 res but as u say its not all about the res balance. For me for every classes the best epic is Ring from elementals, ring slot is least important and filling that space with +1ap from epic and u still have other space for item with better statline, and bc of ring for Ruby Eps I will put Spicy Eps for Eps slot. Of course I know is a only way to do 11/7 build and for sure that is a really interesting way to play and it seems to have some rights.
And Im not sure about the weapon, for me Sadi Staff and Iop Sword are simillar with power but additional 10 in mastery and crit block and hp is beyond that ress in my opinion. Forgotten Belt is interesting and Im strugle between this one or Traper Belt but still I don't know if that 100 mastery is worth 6% crit.

And Im decisively not fan of your "coat crit build" it don't show a solid numbers. That Island Chain and Wa Seal. I'm skeptical about that.

P.S Im very courios, u use %ap&mp resist runes. Are you comfortable with them? That lack of dodge is not frustratingly

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Here is my idea of builds. In both are possible item swaps im still thinking about it but Easandals for Ragorn boots for better res, Chim-Chimneys for Spicy Eps for better crits, Sadi Staff for Iop Sword simillar power lvl depends of player, and Forgotten Belt and Traper Belt both very interesting choices.

-FanShieldBuild- high resisted offtank build http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#_nZ0msb

-CoatBuild- strong dpt build http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#Qwz9xaF

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what do you think "bout that

http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#3Not3w0

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Uhm.
Less HP than my fan set,
30 more mastery,
11 more crit (doesnt matter theyre both 100% crits)
Less ini
Less dodge
Less lock
Less ap mp resist
Less block
Less resist in every element

basically worse in every stat, except for the 30 mastery, and 30 belt pp which like nbd on both, if I change the crits rune to st then I have 20 more mastery and 99% crit with buffs

It's not a bad set but it looks like you just changed relic epic boots and ammy. Cape too but the cape is a taste kind of thing

If you wanted to show off boots and ammy just tack them onto my fan set and it actually just makes it better overall haha. the problem 1000% falls on the fact that your relic changed from fan shield to mark 7, as soon as you did your set was doomed to just not have as much stats

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Hello everyone once agian!

Today I wanna talk about Relic and Epic Runes (yea... welp moment ago I just notice thanks to @makeanimegreatagain that there are 2 kinds of runes and u can't have 2 same *shy emote*)
For me there is 3 choices:


If I correctly understand that:

1. Brazier (For no cons give us 50% of our secondary stats, zero convertion or something like that) that rune gives us amaizing dmg potential dmg in first turn. And pretty solid in turn 2nd and 4h, but 3rd turn is without bonus. And honestly room fight don't take too much time, u can use that buff to clear them even faster. In Boss room is always nicer to kill mobs as fast as possible. 
Rune gives 50% of character lvl not mastery. That gives only +200 in 1st turn and 100 in 2nd and 4th. Now its not that impresive as i thought xD

2. Alternation Most of the time I use air combos, this rune that synergy with SiP. First turn focus and air combos next even more powefull SiP.
There is 2 problems I see:
- U cannot use moving tools like charge to get closer to enemy, only jump.
- When u cast Focus and make 1st turn only air, the next "fire" turn can be lil tricky. U have choice between casting 4 SiP in turn and for me its a lil waste of turn without additional combo, but if u done that 3rd turn will be air turn with additional 15% dmg! and that sound amaizing for me.

3. Measured If we decide to put these one we have additional base crits bc we would have 40% flat block and even much more. And what that additional 20% crit10%crit gives us? We can swap something in our eq! With additional crit% I would not feel bad if I add some -%crit eq. Ogrest's Wrath is what Im talkin about. Swaping Fan Shield with Ogrest's Wrath is good bc u put your both epic relic (Tramontanring and Ogrest's Wrath) in ring slots, and u open 2nd hand slot. When we put off shield we would have only 48% block with my build, and thats not too much.
We have then 3 option Crox (too low block but highest dmg), Small Shield or Ashenshield.
Here are screens of stats with item changes (Remeber to add additional 20%crit10%crit  from Measured Rune):

Ogrest's Wrath + Small Shield

Ogrest's Wrath + Ashenshield

Ogrest's Wrath + Crox


And here is my present build stats screen:


What do you think, whats would be your relic rune choice? Do you think its worth to change eq bc of measured rune?
Im waitin for your feedback.


Kind regards,
Percy.
 
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Measured give 10%Crit, not 20 or is there an interaction which makes it 20?

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I eddit previous message to not mislead anyone.

I think about Measured and Alteration rune, its seems like the best option.
Also Measured Rune even if add only +10% crit that to my present build crit% will be 95%. That alowed to swap ring for Ogrest's Chaos and change Fan Shield for Small Shield or Ashen Shield.

I don't think I desperate need 95% crit on my present build,
Just compere stats its seems to be better choice (for me of course) decision between Small Shield and Ashen Shield is hard one

 
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Mineral Items update:

100% crit build and 8wp (10%crit from Measured rune) http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#N$jrS0C

Offtanky build (more res but only 92%crit) http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#K-uJodO

Cloak choices: In offtank build u can go Panache Cloak insted of Forgotten. Its really nice too and allow u to go full hp if u want to, with Forgotten i suggest goin hp to armor bc of Forgotten special buff

Ring choices: Wa gives additional 2% crit so its nice, gives u possibility to go 100% crit build, but in offtanky build u can swap for Exploded Ring or Gon Door Hinge depends of your choice between st and cc. Or if u strugle with wakfu points Sprecious is nice solution for u

Belt choices: In both build u can go Gray XII Belt insted of Trapper but i preffer trapper much more, if u land crit (even in 92% ctit is almost always) its only 10 dmg less then Gray, trapper have 30 more res, and we are all enutrof inside and that 30 prop is nice thing tbh xD
If u dont wanna have crit on belt go Forgotten Belt, but tbh i think its worth to have crits on belt.

Emblem choices: In 100% crit u need Turquoise Dofus Fragment but in offtanky its up to you if u like have more crit go for it and swap Ebony with Turquoise.

Runes choices: Instead of willpower runes u can go dogde if u feel that u need it

(For interested this is how full hp build looks, also with crit on 95% but u can swap for Ebony dofus and go to 92% as always your choice http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#!bVXFst)

Thast all from me, I want to try no crit build for Iop bc i wanna see numbers I can reach.

See ya!

PS. here it is, critless Iop 3700 sum mastery res 71-73, Im sure that someone can make it better then me bc i dont spend to much time on this but this can be good base to work on http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#g6N_6zp
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 I just made this

http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#HzauO8d

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Changed the Shield to the endgame wp dagger. Netted you some more damage  

http://methodwakfu.com/en/builder/#gEbSOWJ

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U cant go dagger instead of shield. Without 60% block at start of the fight measured rune wont trigger and u wont get 10% crit. 

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