Hi eggthaer,
First we understand that the economy of the servers is important for the Community and for us too.
We do keep an eye on issue reports or feedback received by the Community but we also must remember that prices are first set by the players no-matter which server they come from (Remington in particular).
So it is up to the Community as a whole to set those market prices but once again if any abuses or suspicious activities are noticed, we are here to investigate and take actions upon them.
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By eggthaer - MEMBER - November 26, 2015, 00:00:06Hi everyone , im very worried about whats going on with economy after dupe crash and now elborian intrusion (intrusion because they placed the prices they used to set in elbor ).
I just want some feed back about whats going on with remmington economy and whats comming for the comming months
1.This economy enviroment is something ankama cares about?
2.Everything is going to drop the price ?
3.How to balance it?
4.Standarize prices is something nobody cares about?
5.All this situation is the result of the end of dupe era ?
6.Why all people in wakfu sell materials so expensive ?, almost all recepies are more expensive than the item itself.
7.There is economy mafia in remmington , such as those in dofus servers? Who are these people?
THANK YOU FOR REPLY IF YOU REALLY WANT ME TO EXPLAIN THIS AND ALL the PEOPLE IS WORRIED ABOUT ECONOMY AND HOW IT WORKS IN THIS SERVER!
have fun ^^
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Hi eggthaer,
First we understand that the economy of the servers is important for the Community and for us too.
We do keep an eye on issue reports or feedback received by the Community but we also must remember that prices are first set by the players no-matter which server they come from (Remington in particular).
So it is up to the Community as a whole to set those market prices but once again if any abuses or suspicious activities are noticed, we are here to investigate and take actions upon them.
,Hi Sabi ,actually thats the purpose of the topic , im a formal reseller trying to understand this chaotic economy enviroment ...is so fluctuating , making it very hard to understand in comparison of dofus , i love the idea people set the price but still very frenetic , and i understand the server had a very important issue to solve with those scammers (dupers), but is normal as in real life that the materials worth % part of the total cost ,and this cost of the recepie worth 100% of the final product in the actual market
After several months trying to understand why is so chaotic i have the strong impression that is due to the little time an item remains in the market (max 72hours),
this causes that if there is no idea of background price (because theres none in market at the moment) the new player or the ignorant one , really dont have any help but belive their friends or ask ... example : opal fabric,sellable material : actual price 200-400k if theres none and people feel that the drop rate was so easy they easly can sell for 50k or even 5k because is as easy as a gobball wool ...
i know is to consider what leveling /craft properties an item have , to set the value , that open one of my question , why people in remmington thinks is worth to set a price high for opal fabric ? profession handyman level?
It really makes no sense , i understand wakfu is not dofus but is same world and developers , im not suggesting that wakfu must manage standard prices im just saying with something like a max time of 15 days in market , even if people dont know anything about manage market health, is more possible that the global idea of how much worth something , remains .
i hope i could explain myself enough , and sorry for my bad english .
THIS TOPIC IS FOCUS ON THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE MEGA PLAYERS THAT CAN EXPLAIN ME BETTER THE INTERNAL ISSUE WITH MARKET ... IS NOT HEALTHY , IS NOT FUN ....HOW CAN WE ALL MAKE THIS BETTER FOR THE GAME ! PROFESSIONS ACTUALLY WORKS FOR THE PERSON THAT LEVEL IT , IS NOT A SERVICE YOU CAN OFFER OR CHARGE A TIP FOR IT !WHATS THE POINT ?
hehhe im not yelling just want to focus on the problem i see is running on market , i undersatnd the concept of ankama is to let free prices and community to be responsable with this , but i dont even see a strong community here i just see lonley players that dont give a coin for the economy system .
Question just to Sabi: extending time for items in market , in wich way affects the basic concept of Ankama about the market system?
best regards !
Lol it seems , in the middle of the bug rain this questions about market are not relevant.....besides i myself thinks theres no mafia but a bunch of people dont even know that responbility (CM replys) is upon their shoulders ..
Maybe the market system design want to dump resellers ...and force people to lvl their professions in a selfish mode^^
In your example you light up the abuse it can cause .
Hope they dont shut this up and community help you understand this , im agree it helps with bugs making the playground a bit bored and senseless.
What exactly is wrong with the market? I don't seem to understand what you mean.
1-.players dont have any idea (strong idea ) of what a item/mat worth is all depending on an erratic ffluctuation .
2.-Theres no point on get professions besides your selfish needs
I understand that if you call something a profession is something you get , working hard and in the future will try to explode for getting kamas , not oly self needs
3 -Ankama keep saying they not part of the economy enviroment they just play the big brother to ban .
4- weres the profit of a craft?
5-.is not save to offer/get the service of craft , is open to scams
6 -Gathering materials to make a craft is not same to level a profession ...weres the profit of a craft?
7 -is totally confusing , even if you look market 2 or 3 times a day for 4 months (this is my situation as a formal reseller), is people fault because they dont know overpricing things harm the price of crafted stuffs
8is ankama fault to set taht 24hr-72hr limited time of item in market ...this in dofus in a lot of years playing never was like this , people get items profit when lvl a profession , i dont want migrate back to dofus but this market system is a dump pit !
All this is frustrating and more when you already played a game ankama design and the market is more like the real world logic on economics
Blazak, whats your point on ignoring this is the worst economy system on a game and need some fix so everyone can enjoy?
Ankama ignores it
Gamers that i see post a lot in forums ignores it
maybe thats your mafia or game gap
I dont knoe what to think guyz but as none of your answers make sense at all at least my deep thoughts about here in wakfu theres a mafia on market like in dofus ...is confirmed with time ill get the names ..like in dofus (rosal server : veldin to point to some geek nerd)
i want to get rich by a fair plataform of market not this chaos !
As a reseller i try just to buy 50% off and get that as a profit ...but here you can easly buy expensive stuff for 70%-90% off because those people that are selling are noobs and ignores what they have in their hands ...that my firends in ethics is a way of a scam wich is illegal and by ignoring this you are not protecting noobs , but let them dream 100kk is a fortune !!! that happened to me 6 months ago and now i woke up and see here is happening something i just cant point right now the exact problem , but im pretty sure if ankama extend the time on market this will be more fun .
After a lot posts lighting this and after speaking with each governor when the dupe crash was on , i can say this is just waste of time .
Ankama in this game in particular seems to have other way of thinking about economy , they need money , but they blocked internal profit with kama/ogrines as gifts (let people , gift subscriptions , packs all you have in shop ! thats money ! so you can keep working hard on making wakfu a better experience of game).
OPEN THE GATES FOR TRADES PEOPLE BUYING DOFUS KAMAS RATE IS 1:1 THAT IS NOT FAIR !making kamas in wakfu is way harder than in dofus !
about Dofus kamas ratio, maybe you should change your dealer ; I deal with 2:1 , even 3:1 sometimes ( get more in dofus than what I Give in wakfu).
And yeah, can't seem to find a pattern in remi market..
Your English is hard to understand... I don't think any reasonable player would sell an item even for 40% off in Remington, only those who make typos in sales and those who have no idea about the real price of an item would sell so cheap.
I do agree though that like 90% of lo level crafts are useless.
Not all of them by any means though, some are just straight-up OP for low levels.
do you see this prices on remington ? no
But for you it is still too dear, too dear or not rather free !
Well yeah, in Remington prices for Lucloak range between 10-15mK, Dora Borette 7-15mK, Wind Shield for 25mK and Shushu Weapons for 10-20mK; The prices have always been within this range and do not really change...
The prices you are displaying are so messed up, that makes me glad I am not playing in a server where the prices are such - I am glad the prices are low, that is why Remington is considered a good server - affordable items, low kama inflation.
I can see the reason too discus the market,i really wish new players like me had some basic for the market,or something like a list of prices,i kinda wanted some help for some silly crafts prices or too not buy overpriced equips....again....
Either way, I just wish items would be linked when bought from the market, that would stop a lot of resellers bs from messing up prices.
No dathura and everybody is rich on this server, you on remington, you have full of poor people
No it is not the number which matters, but the motivation, on remington your price policy, returns the players an idler, break the motivation, now that you have full of poor man, you can make of the social as in France,
but of social virtual, it is not very risky !
And there was much players on remington than on dathura before the summer
Crazy , so now if Dathura people migrate their kamas to remington, they can rule the server .... well thats how economy works the rich monopolize and its normal if the rich is a wise banker not a greedy kind !
Im just saying that in my opinion something is happenig , but after saw some threads about the population of Remmington i now know if some1 is behind the economy manipulation is a total iop brains^^ + theres no mafia, just an erratic fluctuation of people due to the bugs and bad performing of the game , so yep ressellers are doom on this server (pitty, because we only stabilizes prices always to the top), also an effect of how dupers inflates the economy on Remmi , maybe the prices was low and i just join the game when the inflation was rising :s bad for me like 30mk lost atm between taxes ,trades,prices drop ...well ill get them back someday^^
Im now totally convinced that if the big brother AMANKA set a longer period of time on item remain in market , prices by force will generate a global , better idea of what something worth .
Sabi, if you can tell us if professions will be revamp ill be very happy , they are now a selfish gadjet to improve game ... the paradigm of a profession is to get profit of it too!
best regards .
let the inflation begins.
i Wanted too ask because...i realy don't wana buy another royal gob helmet for 2kk because i desperated needed that thing but,it's there anything we can doo too help with this market ploblem? at least start with little thing everyone that read it too go over the server or something? :::: )
From the point of view of crafter "100 in everything" I would like to say: "Can't be! Craft should bring money?! Seriously?!"
'Cos for all the years I played Wakfu, craft wasn't profitable. The only exception used to be Transmutations 160 and 120 freshly after they were implemented in game.
The rest of craft-to-sell options are for those who cannot go and farm dungeons for some reason and sell the drops.
True, selling materials you have farmed for crafting an item is more profitable than making an item and selling it.
After all the recipes were added for books of craft from level 0, every smart pants knows what he needs to make something and will not buy the result item for any price high enough for crafter to bother making it.
Additionally! Please notice this! When Developers have estimated the prices of Moon recipes from dungeon machines, those prices were fair and nice. After two dupe issues and rollback, and ban of some people, and Amara server migration… those prices are nothing for some players but extremely hard to buy for overage/casual player. Especially considering the fact crafters wouldn't be able to make profit by selling those crafted items based on Moon recipes. Because anyone could find a friend of a friend that know someone (sometimes from Amara) who has the recipe and after checking it in Encyclopedia would decide hat getting the materials is easier. On personal experience i can add that not every person that wants crafter to craft something is willing to pay for the service. "It's just pressing one button", "It's just 17 minutes" and so on.
Would be nice if we had some in-game tools for interaction between crafter and customer.
Customers could be scammed as it is now, and crafters could find themselves in situation they have to give item they made for free, or they would be declared scammers publicly. Or the customer forgot he has less money than the deal was about.
Ty for reading, it wasnt supposed to be that long when i started writing it. xD