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Requesting to know if Builders are still alright.

By CuddleBeam - MEMBER - May 06, 2018, 14:35:25
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So, speculation and gossip are a horrible thing so I want to set things clear. I've heard worrisome things on the fan Discord and I want to set things straight.

I've heard that Ankama has requested a developer of a Wakfu-Builder to stop their work on it because Ankama doesn't want anyone to have all data somewhere and use it with an API or something like this.

Is this correct? And if I'm missing anything, please let me know. I request to know what's the full stance on this matter when it comes to fan developers.

I'm worried because I myself have data-mined the Wakfu Web Enciclopedia via a web-scraper and have made a (very crude) Builder for my own purposes. Here's proof of my preliminary work, a download of all items 70-90 so that I could theorycraft my lvl 80 PvP things:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j2rBtDkascQgiijLoBmrayfHWNJ8lZvvAIlC2ZWKW84/edit?usp=sharing

I wanted to later on develop it further and share these sheets which would show, for a certain goal, the most optimal route possible to achieve it, although I feel that would go against the intent of preventing heavy-handed optimization like plugging a Builder into an API would do too.

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Hello everyone!

Spling is perfectly right here. Parsing the gamefiles is illegal and against our TOU. On the other hand, the Encyclopedia is a public source that we completely control. We choose what to display there and therefore we do not wish to take legal actions against the players using it to help other players as long as it is not for commercial use! happy

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That is about parsing the gamefiles, which also contains information about unreleased items (like costumes not yet in the shop, etc) or secrets (hidden recipes and such).
I'm pretty sure that is different from getting the information from a public source like the encyclopedia, which is already prepared to only show what should be seen.

And it's not illegal. It breaks the terms of usage of the game, which is different. If you do not reuse game-assets (code, sprites, etc) outside the game for something commercial, there is no reason to take legal steps (for copyright-infringement and the likes).
 
Pretty much every game I've played has that clauses in their TOS, because one thing leads to another:
First people parse the gamefiles, then they write their own client and then exploits are being used or bots are written.
The official stance will always be to discourage it, to avoid escalation.

Adding things by hand 1-by-1 is the other side of the spectrum, though. In my honest opinion, that is overkill.
Nobody that would want to program a fanproject would do that, and manage to keep it up to date.

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Hello everyone!

Spling is perfectly right here. Parsing the gamefiles is illegal and against our TOU. On the other hand, the Encyclopedia is a public source that we completely control. We choose what to display there and therefore we do not wish to take legal actions against the players using it to help other players as long as it is not for commercial use! happy

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Just stop saying "Parsing the gamefiles" is illegal... it's not. The current state of the EU laws even allow reverse engineering... It's part of your TOS, and users must respect TOS, but it's not illegal.

Then again, a TOS (or any contract) can't be over the law, meaning it would be to Ankama to demonstrate any violation and/or damage in court (as it's always to the complainant to make such demonstration).

Beside, while a user might need to read your TOS to create an account and to play Wakfu, he doesn't actually have to read it to download the client, and so that person don't have to acknowledge anything (aka he isn't under contract) and again it would be to Ankama to demonstrate any damage.

Everything in TOS (generally speaking, not only speaking about Ankama here) aren't even always legal, as they often ask users to give up some rights which you can't. You can find many jurisprudence cases on lawers and governmental websites.

That said, you do own copyrights on graphics that are used on builders, and stealing graphics is illegal.

Just to make it clear.

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