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In this Devblog 3xited (aka Exi) will explain the experience revamp that will be implemented in WAKFU. Why this revamp? How does it work? What purpose does it serve? Find all the answers here!

You probably thought that it was only a matter of changing a few experience values for each level, and that’s it. You’ll understand that this matter is much much more complicated!
 

First: Why the change?

Playing time

The playing time needed to reach the last levels currently in-game was just too high.

Levels 120/130 represented an acceptable time investment to reach “end-game” content, but level 140 was just another story. Also, WAKFU will keep evolving while higher levels unlock, and it quickly became clear that the experience curve would have to be reviewed to adapt to these higher levels.

The experience needed for each level was sometimes increased arbitrarily, especially after level 110. In the long run we don’t want experience to increase that quickly and so early in the character progression.
 

Calculating experience

The formula used to calculate experience given by monsters was becoming more and more obsolete the higher level you reached. This forced us to always use higher and higher coefficients on monsters XP. In other words, we had to craft our experience curve manually and define the experience gain case by case.

For example, the last families of Wabbit Island had coefficients of 10 while Northern Chafers had a coefficient of 5.

There was also an anomaly that could limit group experience: while a group of 6 with level 120+ could get 3.5 times more experience than in solo, a same group with level 70- could get 6 to 10 times more! At these levels it was simply not interesting at all to play solo, making it much harder for new players without a full group.

Overall the group experience was only interesting if you fought in teams of 6 characters.
 

Leveling coherency

Areas

For a precise level, the best area to go XP was not always guided enough.

WAKFU is meant to give you as much freedom as possible, but we still have to preserve a degree of coherence and reward players that will fight monsters of their levels. We cannot allow players to gain too much experience by one-shooting monsters that are half their level, without any form of difficulty.

For example, a character level 125 was still able to XP correctly in the Sadida Kingdom, despite the area being level 60 to 70. We don’t want it to give no gain at all, but it should clearly be less interesting than other more adapted areas.
 

Power leveling

On the other hand, we also want to reduce the effects of power leveling. We still want to allow heterogenic groups to play together, but we don’t want a level 20 to just stick around a level 140 XPing in an area level 130+.

A player starting from scratch with a new character will have to explore and rediscover the low level areas. His level 140 friend will still be able to help him with content adapted to the low level character.

Finally, while Wisdom is an interesting stat, it loses any purpose when being maxed at the cost of other stats, creating characters that only seek experience and offer no help in combats.
 

New system

Experience given by a monster

We began by reevaluating the experience provided by the monsters. We tried to keep the new values as close as possible from the old ones to preserve the overall scale and keep it intuitive compared to what you’re already used to.
 
Monsters XP per level

In green, the new curve; in red, the old one
 

Experience received by a player

At the end of the fight, the experience given to the player can be modified by several factors (Note that Sidekicks count as a normal character in this system):
 

Average level of the monsters

The difference between your level and the average level of the monsters fought.

A character will gain 100% XP if he fights a monster with a level difference of 10 maximum. It will then lower progressively to offer an acceptable range of monsters to fight.
 
  • Monsters are too hard
This extreme is reached when the monster has 70 levels more than the player. Passed this level, the player will not gain any XP.
 
  • Monsters are too easy
This extreme is reached when the monster has 80 levels less than the player. Below this level, the player will only get 30% of the XP of this monster. It’s the minimum value, to make sure that you will never get no experience from low level monsters.

With this system, it can still be quite efficient to fight monsters with 40 levels difference.
 

Amount of opponents

The difference between the amount of fighters in your group, and the opposing group.
 
  • More Enemies
When enemies outnumber you, each additional enemy only provides 50% of its XP.
For example:
  • 1 player fighting 2 monsters will get 150% of the experience of a combat versus one monster. ((2-1 * 50% / 1 = 50%)
  • 2 players fighting 5 monsters will get 175% of the experience of a combat versus two monsters. ((5-2) * 50% / 2 = 75%)
  • 4 players fighting 6 monsters will get 125% of the experience of a combat versus 4 monsters. ((6-4) * 50% / 4 = 25%)
Being outnumbered is therefore rewarded without being a complete must, taking the duration of the fight into consideration.
 
  • More allies
When your group outnumbers the opponent, each additional character reduces the experience received.

The characters will already get less experience because there are less monsters, but this penalty is implemented to make sure that fighting 6 times 1 monsters does not become more interesting than fighting one time 6 monsters with a group of 6.
 

Level of the character

The difference between your level and the average level of the group. Irrelevant when you fight in a group of your level, it can have an impact when characters are way below the average level: they will not help in the fight in any way.
 

Bosses

Combats versus bosses are treated differently. When calculating the experience awarded, you will always be considered as having fought a group of your size. The only penalty that will apply will come with the level of the monsters.

For example, Bosses such as the Nun or Gobby Bulga will now provide respectable experience.
 

Group Bonus

We also decided to modify the group bonus to better meet our expectations:
 
Characters 1 2 3 4 5 6
New Bonus +0% +50% +100% +175% +210% +250%
Old Bonus +0% +20% +50% +100% +160% +250%
 
The maximum bonus with 6 characters hasn’t changed: *3.5.

The intermediary bonuses have however been changed to ensure that inviting a new player to the group should always be more beneficial to the group.

The most optimized group to get fast experience should no longer be only 6 members, but 4 to 6 members. Characters with a level lower than a third of the highest level of the group will not count for this bonus.
 

Group composition

Note also that to allow everyone to find groups of monsters matching their needs, we have modified the spawning proportions of each.

In ecosystems divided in two sub-areas, you’ll find:
 
Amount of monsters 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Proportion 10% 17% 17% 17% 17% 17% 5%
 
Groups of 7 monsters will now appear outside dungeons, with a lower rate than others.

Groups with more than 6 monsters will be considered as having 6 monsters in the count of opponents.
 

Combat penalty

First, you will no longer have to cast a spell to gain experience for the fight.

Also, penalty in case of death was too limiting and generated complicated situations. For example, it was often not interesting to sacrifice yourself for an ally, or take too much risk for him. Similarly, resurrection abilities were just a necessity to avoid anyone being left aside in terms of reward. Overall, it was just too frustrating to not receive experience and loots for helping your team win a fight by sacrificing yourself.
 
Experience needed per level
 In green, the new curve; in red, the old one

Total experience per level

 In green, the new curve; in red, the old one
 

Secondary characters

Important note: this feature will not be implemented with this update, but should come with the next one.

The second highest level character of your account will now gain twice more experience until catching up with the number one. The third highest level character will gain three times more experience, until catching up with the second, and then twice more until catching up with the first. And so on for all your characters.
 

XP Curve

Once all these factors have been designed, an experience curve can be generated by taking a theoretical amount of combats per level, allowing us to deduce the time needed to reach this or that level. For example, reaching level 100 requires the same experience as before, while reaching level 140 now requires 3 billion XP instead of 5.2 billion. This is still a big value, but much more accessible.
 

Challenges

To finish, another significant modification: the challenge system. We implemented the challenge system in combat to make them more dynamic and better reward risky behavior and investment during the fight. All monsters of the game will offer one challenge while dungeon combats will offer two challenges.
 

Wisdom and Prospecting limitation

To accentuate the game in this direction, we also decided to limit the maximum experience gain bonus to +150%. This includes Wisdom of the characters with equipment, consumables, other temporary or permanent bonuses and challenges bonuses. To be more concrete, you will now get to choose between equipping yourself with Wisdom items and ignore the challenges or, on the contrary, optimize your equipment for the fight, and try to accomplish the challenges to get similar bonuses.

As a result of this change, Apprentice, Initiate and Sage sets that were all implemented to help you until the revamp of the experience system will now be modified to better fit the new Wisdom cap and other in-game Wisdom equipment.


I hope you’ll enjoy these modifications, and I’ll see you when we reach level 200!
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Speechless Crobak
Fadedscourge 09 December 2013 19:51

(krowakot @ 09 December 2013 18:25) *

(aquabeauty @ 09 December 2013 09:48) *
As multi-boxer myself; I do agree that Multiboxing is a form of = P2W. However, I do enjoy solo-playing with my mini-mes. It's the way I enjoy the game and no one should take it from me. PLEASE don't take it from me. I do agree with everything faded has said as I have also expressed my concern for this on the first few pages.

Another thing about multi-boxing is that it is not just P2W; it is a play style. People enjoy the game solo playing, as much as their counter-players enjoy the game's group play. For me joining a fight on one toon is ABSOLUTELY BORING. I have to wait 30 seconds for each mob member and 30 for each party member. That's like a whole 3 minutes [rounding down] before its my turn again. I start watching you tube videos, i start yawning, and I can't even endure one fight like that, usually i only do one run like this or if I really need to help a friend... I ENDURE THE TORTURE a little longer. THE TORTURE.
I have 1 question. Why do you even play massive multiplayer online rpg, if you hate playing with the other people so much? There's plenty of single player rpgs, that are cheaper, lag-free and better for playing solo, because they were made for that.


And answering your question, why I don't want to "let you" (like I have any power to stop you) to play on multiple accounts?
I was single account player in Dofus. When I heard about the multiaccounting for the first time I was like "Whatever, if people like to play that way, I don't care". But then more and more people started to multi. I was going to play my own game and don't care about them. I kept saying myself, that multiaccounters won't affect me. I wanted to ignore them, I really really wanted.
But it wasn't possible. They affected my single account playing BIG TIME. So much, that the game became pretty much unplayable for me and for the other single accounters.
I came to the conclusion, that in long term single and multiaccounters can't live in one game. You already dominated 1 tactical mmorpg (Dofus) and now you want to ruin Wakfu as well. I don't like that, but what can I do.
At the current state of the game Multi-accounters DO NOT have any effect on single acc players that want to play the game. You keep comparing Dofus to Wakfu, and let me assure that it is not the same game.

If you have a guild filled with people that like and enjoy playing, and they happen to have more than one account, as long as you fill the role they will be replacing for you to step in, I'm sure they wouldn't mind dropping one of their acc's to let you in. The only BIG comparison shown with multi-accounters vs single acc's are the gear drops. Multi-acc'ers will tend to drop more gear and mats than someone who has only one acc. (This is where people assume it's p2w)

I'm sorry, but you can't speculate any long-term conclusions as Ankama's way of doing things aren't linear, therefore, always changing, always different. I dislike when people compare the two games. Can you compare an apple to orange? Sure, they're both round, sure, they are both edible, but are they the same color and taste the same? no. I'm sure they have similar qualities, but they are not the same. If an orange falls from a tree at 3'o'clock, does it mean that an apple will fall at that time? no.

If you're still unsure as to why multi-accounters co-exist with single acc'ers, Aqua provided good reasons, and until they are fixed, the multi-acc'ers will continue to exist. So please re-read.

You like tactical turn based games where multi-accounter's don't exist? Go play chess, or checkers.

"I'm not trying to disrespect you in any way, as everyone have their own opinions, but just because you don't like the multi-acc playing style, it doesn't mean that everyone else does too, so I apologize if my comment offends you."
Scary Polter
krowakot 10 December 2013 00:01
No, you should save my comment and reread it 1-2 years from now. The situation might not be so obvious for you right now, but I'm pretty sure that in time - when multiaccounting will become bigger problem - you will open your eyes and admit, that everything I said was right.
Lord Madgobb
Kikuihimonji 10 December 2013 00:41

(krowakot @ 10 December 2013 00:01) *
No, you should save my comment and reread it 1-2 years from now. The situation might not be so obvious for you right now, but I'm pretty sure that in time - when multiaccounting will become bigger problem - you will open your eyes and admit, that everything I said was right.
I agree.

And i hope ankama will make Wakfu 2.0 with maybe hexagonals intead of squares and maybe this time they won't make the same failure as with dofus and wakfu and make wakfu 2.0 with limit to 1 account playable at time.

Still there is one hope for waku. A hope that these multimen are only added to eventually get rid of multiaccounting for good and replace them slowly with multimen. Then once this get done Ankama will be able to make it technically impossible to open more then 1 account at time and then maybe reward multiaccounters with some free multimen in exchange as compensation. Then if they would also add multimen as hard to make quest reward in-game, then the Wakfu will be again fair to all. It still won't solve the issue of finding group for dungeon, but might at least make new players more likely to sub for a game that is fair for all.
Lord Madgobb
Gynrei 10 December 2013 02:04
If you want Wakfu to die, limit the accounts to one.

The people complaining about multi-boxers... how many parties have you been in with players using more than one account? How many parties have you been in made up of six different people?

If it's hard to find groups now, ban multi-boxing, i dare you.
Squited Arachnee
lyricalglitchen 10 December 2013 02:39
Generally speaking 90% of the time when i run a dungeon, there will be one person playing 2 toons. There are plenty of single and dual accounters. One shouldnt assume that single accounts dont exist nor that 6 accounters dont either. We share this game...and BOTH playstyles are equally valid. However the only problem i see for single vs multi accoutners is the very few greedy ones. There are ppl that refuse to drop toons, so others can join the party, and those that dont share drops. Are they all that common?....no of course not. But due to that, that is the main problem single accounters have. Mulit accounters arent pay to win, its pay to play a certain way and pay to make things easier on oneself....which is different than pay to win. Regardless both playstyles are equally valid...and the xp update overall is fair. Its slightly unfair to brand new accounts...but if you lvl one char first...it gets more fair for the other toons on the same account....as a whole this update looks good. But let ppl play as they like....its unfair to say that multiaccounters should be restricted....as much as it would be to demand all ppl multi account....let ppl play the way they want to play....demanding ppl to play one way or the other is rather ridiculous
Ugly Gobball
WolfSte 10 December 2013 22:08
i hope it isin't the truth
Ugly Gobball
WanderInTheMoonlight 10 December 2013 22:12
I completely agree with Gynrei - I've only ever played single account - on both Dofus as well as Wakfu, but I wouldn't be where I am without the assistance of multi-boxing friends. You get to a point in this game where its extremely difficult to play the harder content by yourself, and if you only can find one or two people to play with it can still be a struggle, especially if you can't cover each others weakness. I'm all for putting in the hours and pouring out my blood, sweat and tears to make my toons glorious, but at the same time I've spent more then one night grinding alone someplace bored out of my mind and frustrated that I can't move to the next area without getting completely wiped out.

Ideally, it would be great if people didn't need to multi-box, but right now with how the game is, there aren't enough active players on some of the servers to allow everyone to enjoy the game to its fullest.

I vote we single account users bare with it and just take advantage of our multi-boxing friends - they can provide the extra players we need to go and enjoy harder content and in return we shall bless them with our amazing personalities and company as we slaughter the hordes of monsters crawling around.
Soft Crackler
sockstoyourdoor 12 December 2013 20:35
I agree that multiboxing killed wakfu's population. If they simply banned multiboxing but allowed sidekicks like in DDO this game would have a full community.
Lord Madgobb
Gynrei 12 December 2013 20:55

(sockstoyourdoor @ 12 December 2013 20:35) *
I agree that multiboxing killed wakfu's population. If they simply banned multiboxing but allowed sidekicks like in DDO this game would have a full community.

They can't even ban bots. What makes you think they'll succeed with banning multi-boxers?
Ugly Gobball
ShoKaiBai 17 December 2013 05:27

(sockstoyourdoor @ 12 December 2013 20:35) *
I agree that multiboxing killed wakfu's population. If they simply banned multiboxing but allowed sidekicks like in DDO this game would have a full community.
If they banned Multi-boxing this game would die.

Wakfu is the closest thing I have gotten to FFT besides Atlantica online (which wasn't great)

I play multiple accounts not to dominate, but to have a team that I can play because that's what I enjoy. If it honestly became such a huge problem (which it didn't in dofus because they implemented 4-man dungeon to help out with single accounters and what not) why not just make an Offline-wakfu that you can buy and play? That would give me what I wanted and allow others to enjoy their experience as well.

On topic, I'm enjoying all the awesome things Dofus has getting transferred over here and still awaiting the reconnect system.