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Is it possible to make pure fire Panda? Cos Im not sure about water/fire... Using water spells few times for Dizzy status just to use fire spell once? I don't get it
I was planning to make dmg dealer Panda. Which one is the best for that?

All those topics about air/eart/fire osas are starting to get out of control.

In my case, I thought that we are suppose to show young players advantages of a specific "build" and how to utilize our skills... but as I read all those coments, it seems that you all are concentrated on arguing who has a better build, and who has worse..

There are many pros and cons to all those build types, and what we should do - is to give hints on how to get MAX potential in each branch.

And this whole topic was suppose to be about agi whip only.

Well.. would you all be happy if:

- whip got some different meaning, some buff maybe, or better dmg
- 100% dmg to summons buff would stay in support section, so all branches would use it

and one more thing: we think what would be good, but as you can all see.. it remains the same, no nerf, no changes

we will see

Actually I am level 70 and doing quite fine. I am also quite active in PvP.
I never said that I am using Crackler Punch and Whip at the same time, please read more careful. I just wanted to point out that I am more flexible. Too many allies in the AoE of Crackler Punch? No problem, just whip the enemy. Many enemies together? Drop that rock on their heads.

And like I said, the effective range of Crackler Punch is 6 considering the AoE. Of course you will not be able to use it all the time, simply because you might hit allies. But then again, whip doubles the summon damage on all levels. So I'm just wondering why would you go air? You are limiting yourself to using whip only, while there are so many more options.

To be honest I find going pure air quite limiting. Let's take a look at the numbers so I can tell you what I mean. Let's assume a 7AP 6MP build like the damage combo you mentioned. No other points spent, so we go by the pure damage numbers of the skills at Level 100. I will also refer to any damage done by the pet simply as "Pet Damage".

Full Air:
Whip: 35, Crobak: 22, Scaraleaf: 28 (+ 2x on other targets), 2x Pet Damage
Sums up to a total of 85 Damage done by you.

Full Earth:
Crackler Punch: 60, Gurgling: 16, Scaraleaf: 28 (+ 1x on other targets, Crackler Punch consumes 1MP), 1x Pet Damage
Sums up to a total of 104 Damage don by you.

Now at first glance the damage difference is not that great, earth is even inferior when you consider the pet damage.

But now consider this: Crackler Punch has got a huge area of effect. And when I say huge, I mean gigantic. It can possibly hit up to 13 targets at the same time. In reality this will probably never happen. But it's nice to know.
Then again hitting 2-3+ enemies happens quite often. And hitting so many enemies outshines the doubled damage of the summon.

Now to get back to the flexibility, as earth osa I can choose if I either use Crackler Punch or Whip, depending on the situation. A full air osa must use his whip, no matter what. In fact he is quite useless if his summon does not manage to get in range.
Now you might say that it is not that bad because air has got superior range, wrong. All air skills cap at 5 range, whereas Crackler Punch has got a base range of 4 plus 2 squares in each direction, maxing out at 6 range in total.
The only advantage air has got over earth is that some skills do not require a line of sight.

More utility aspects: Earth by itself is usually a more defensive element. Just think of the tree or boowish set and the resistances. Meaning if your pet is not close to you, you can still take quite a few hits and dish out some damage yourself. As an air osa you totally rely on your pet. If it is not in range you are vulnerable and kind of helpless.

And to finish this: I still believe that whip is going to be nerfed or put into another tree sometime soon. Even if it might not be overpowered, it is in the wrong place. The air tree has never been the summoner tree, but all of a sudden a few patches ago one skill received a pet buffing attribute which is totally out of place. I really wouldn't be too surprised if a change is already on its way.

2nd leadership is needed if you want to summon your Gobgob in order to eat that Crobak Chief. Either to save it or to turn to Dragon form.

Having 2 weaker summons that are ranged is good option too. They wont die if you or other summon tank damage. They will be kiting your enemy. You can for example summon low level asturbian rose for Lead Legs effect.

There are no high level equipements with leadership. Seems like ankama forgot to add them. Boowolf set was giving leadership in beta, but now well, it does not. So you will end up with whirligig hat to the end of the game or get makabammer to 50lvl at least and it is decent weapon.

For real you won't need more then 2 leadership. If you have no place for your points to distribut then go on add 5 lvls to the passive ability that give you leadership. Just keep in mind you are doing well with just 1 big fat summon.

Well okay, try finding me a combination of items and stats that gives 10+AP And some summon/fire damage.

gobup+gobbal steak+posession+scaraleaf(optionally) at 1st turn against one target do much more dmg (using crobak chief)
whip+steak+posession+scaraleaf(8 ap) more useful than useless crobak skill and agi
in pvp (and pve if you use crobak chief) you should use posession every turn so that calculations are wrong

gobup+gobbal steak+posession+scaraleaf(optionally) at 1st turn against one target do much more dmg (using crobak chief)

whip+steak+posession+scaraleaf(8 ap)

Is not so bad idea to add 1ldr from animal blessing.
I'm 75 osa
3lvl gobgob (3levels, stalagawks and crobak chief)
9lvl gobup (18 levels)
9lvl posession (18 levels)
20lvl animal guard (20 levels)
10lvl prespic skin (10 levels)
and 5 level animal blessing (5 levels)
After max prespic skin on 85lvl i just spend last 15 levels to gobgob for 5 slots. What i can get for that 25 points against 5lvl animal blessing? Nothing better, i think.
+2 ldr is totally enough, i agree. But against +1 ldr from equip i can get something better.
For example, +1rp from necklacke, +1rp from hat, +1rp from weapon, + 80hpx2 + 17 wis/pp (or maybe resists/ini/dmg) from rings.
Is cool if you're lucky to have Dragolyre or something, yeah,but with +1ldr from passive you have more freedom for choosing equip.

Is how i think.

Absolutely not, I'm on my 80's on the character I'm playing the most, I'm not willing to ruin the fun of the game by hitting lvl. cap in a moment when there's no lvl.100 content, also I spend a good amount of my time doing PvP.

About Incandescent state:

I must say I see it more like an add-on, you can't rely on it that much as lvl.36 Incandescent is -6HP, and lvl.100 Incandescent is -15HP. It's the combination of this state, the +Damage and the Dizzy and Merry effects making the difference to me.
Consider just one hit of Dairy Springer on a Dizzy target can deal way higher amounts of damage than a Combo which include both a water and a fire attack, also, you can use 2x Dairy for the same amount of APs, so using fire as main damager is by maths more efficent than stacking huge amounts of Dizzy.

Milk Fountain + Light My Fire = 73(Milk fountain)+18(+20%) +6(Dizzy dmg. bonus)+1 (Incandescent)=101,6 Damage; +6% from Dizzy = 103,88, and Stats/elemental damage multipliers are spreaded over two branches so it's 50:50.

Bamboozle+Dairy Springer+LMF = 60(+20%)+18(+20%)= 93,6; + 20 Damage (IM bonus), +3 (Incandescent) +10% from Dizzy, +20% from Merry= 151,58 and Stats/Elemental multipliers are all focused on a branch.

Also I'd like to point out one thing, F/W gives it's best by using one Branch as Damager and the other as support, I personally prefer using Fire as main element and supporting it with Water for the side effects from Dizzy and to avoid ending up stacking Dizzy to have my target killed by someone else during party play.
Using both branches at the same rate ends up making you decent in both, but not really good in any of them, as you'll spread your Spells experience way too much, resulting in way lower damage potential, also having points in both Chance and Intelligence would have the same complications.

Sure the Water Branch as a good offensive and AoE potential, but if you want to use water as damager, I'd suggest going for a Pure Water build as it is way more effective since Fire isn't that great at supporting, and the points you would invest in Incandescent Milk could be used for Aggressive Barrel, which, combined with Milky Instinct would make you be able to increase your Dizzy-stacking potential even further.

Note that this is my opinion, I'm not saying it is like that.

-Lindel

Maxing animal guard is only way, other passive specialities almost useless.

Animal Blessing is a waste of points. You can always have enough Leadership through gear.

Animal Link is a terrible passive. Gobup at 9 yields 70% HP of the original incarnation, and this skill's heal cuts that down even further to 1~20% of that.

Prespic Hair is not useful in PvE yet.. maybe in the future. In PvP, 1 point in Prespic Hair is good for Sram doubles.

Animal Guard is very nice. Max this.

Phoenix is optional. I like to have my summons revive when killed. It's a 1~20% chance, but they are fully healed, get another turn, and you don't have to replace the summon you lost. Goes great with Savage Anger (Earth).

Leveling order is your choice for your play style. Osamodas is a flexible class.

This topic was mentioned somewhere else, but never mind.

Those skills are really up to your game style.

If you are the brutal type, who sacrifices summons in any possible way just to achieve your victory, then phoenix would be best for you. [since death counter in your case spins like crazy]

If you are the impatient type, who runs to the enemy and fights almost every time in meele, then animal link + animal guard would be your choice. [since enemies will attack only you, not your pets]

If you are cautious type, who manages summons from afar, planning every move, then you would really want to put points in animal guard and prespic hair. [explanation below]

I am the third type, and I cannot even count how many times my prespic hair lev 20 killed monsters for me. At max level it gives 20% rebound of incoming attack upon your summon. I know, it's not that much.. or is it? Every time, when my well-placed-in-good-spot-summon recieves damage, it deals some damage at the enemy's turn.. and then great damage at it own's turn. On higher levels there are many fights in which players focus on dealing enormous damage, but when monster is weak - they just move to another one... couse noone wants to spend their "so good skill" on an almost dying monster. I also was frustrated, when my summon could deal its buffed damage to a monster and kill it, but instead - it choose some weakened one just to be sure. Now, those monsteres are gone, couse they kill themselves, thanks to prespic hair

Every osa has its own way, and support spells are really up to you - what we can give is just an example, how do we utilize our skills and what benefit and profit does it make.

Right now I have gobgob lev 8, gobup lev 9, possession lev 9, prespic hair lev 20, and now maxing animal guard [chance to have +25 MP with your summon does wonders ]

I doubt there is fire AP sets that are enough to give me 10 AP
The wiki is outdated anyways and is lacking alot of info, so I can't search for it .

Plus you should take into account that whip will get nerfed and boohowl will get buffed.

I've been playing a Water/Fire Pandawa since the release. One thing I've been using in my build is Milk Fountain, that and Bubble Trouble are the two water spells I use.

Lindel cautioned against Milk Fountain on the basis of High AP cost and damage in a build that is focused on fire, that any water spells used in this build are for stacking dizzy and not dealing damage. (That's what I got from it at least, his post was more in depth)

I'll say why I use it just so you have a different perspective. When the patch was released I noticed that they put the cast on barrel damage for water spells up again, so in terms of damage the water spells that can be cast on the barrel are that much more powerful. Also, having 6 AP means that it puts 6 stacks of Dizzy, and has 6 Range! So you can use it (non-barrel) from the first turn on your target, plus it has a small cross AoE like Explosive Flask, which makes it a nifty, not to mention devastating combo for late game (with 9ap). You can use this in conjunction with a Light my Fire (if 7ap), or a Bubble Trouble (if 8AP), or even a Bamboozle (depending on ap and what level bamboozle is). All of which do solid damage + stack dizzy to some degree.

One thing I have noticed is that the fire abilities like Explosive Flask and Light my Fire, while doing average damage initially, often don't get a chance to become really devastating unless you're fighting something with more HP. Especially taking into account that when you're playing in groups, people are hitting your Dizzy targets harder, thanks to the -All Resist, so low HP stuff often dies before you get a chance to dish out the high Dizzy stack damage. So in terms of contribution to a team, being able to deal solid damage while stacking Dizzy on targets is a bonus.

Of course when you have Dizzy stacked things really start getting fun. It's also interesting to notice something about the Incandescent effect. When you make something incandescent, because the buff has a "1 Turn" duration, you can refresh it the next time you attack (whether this is intentional or not is uncertain), and the stacks increase by as many stacks of Dizzy there are on the target. So it has a kind of exponential effect. Here's something I've been playing with.

Milk Fountain + Light my Fire = 6 Dizzy and 6 Incandescent
Next turn, same combo say: 12 Dizzy and 18 Incandescent
Next: 18 Dizzy and 36 Incandescent
etc, etc.

Those stacks of Incandescent get to be dishing a fair amount of damage, I haven't managed to do this in group play but soloing (which I rarely do) is a cool way to try it out. It makes the 2AP fire spell Light my Fire that much more of a damage dealer. Say you get something up to 50 stacks of Dizzy, LMF twice is 100 stacks of Incandescent, which is effected by your +Fire Damage, not to mention the Burning effect it puts on there. Even, (with 8AP, although you would lose the stacks of dizzy in doing so) 2x Explosive Flask.

So, this has turned out to be a general explanation of how I'm playing a Fire/Water Pandawa, as well as some nifty observations. As far as Special Abilities go, I follow all of Lindels recommendations. For spells though there is always a degree of how you want to play the class, because being so versatile in general allows their elemental trees to be likewise. Coming back to the point where I launched into this post, why I use Milk Fountain, I also like the map manipulation granted by casting it on the barrel. With 7AP you can pick up, throw, and Milk Fountain something, either to pull it away from an ally, pull yourself around, or pull something into lock with an ally.

So, yeah. There's my contribution

Suprsingly im gona say osamoda

to be more preceise the osa summon stalawhateveritsnamed can use massive aoe that he can do 3 times on a row easily doing damage between 200-300 on each enemy + causing wounded state.

The key is placement tho u need to understand the ai or your gona run in awkard situations where ur pet decides to run away.

Also note stala aoe dont hurt you or ur allies so its powerfull and totally team frendly

- Fire Cra with Explosive Arrow, but costs 6 AP
- Air Cra with Storm Arrow, costs 2 AP, 2MP easy to get a 3 cast char
- Fire Iop with Iop's Wrath, but it costs wakfu and is not ranged, but much better than any of the previous ones

since this is the most active topic id like share some wonderfull news that i noticed earlier today my fellow dragons might have noticed this also but here goes

Crabok is finally stackable ! 9 ap agi dragon build is finally good idea since u can now make 30% cf rate to ur opponent's

Devs thank you for making this dragon very happy