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[Amakna] Lion heart tyranny
Narcissistic Larva * Member Since 2012-02-21
posté March 12, 2012, 13:03:10 | #41
What can I understand this topic? Let the Lion Heart, and that one of the largest guilds Server, only to lose All Stars and other guilds, has the responsibility to rule a nation as Amakna des when I can remember in Wakfu, so through the governor of Lyons, and I'll tell you a business, was a strong nation, the mighty acts ... I even balance between supporting democracy abroad, I do not see why the Lions do not want other people as Governor.

I've been governor of Bonta and I know that is very difficult to stay focused on the game, change and leave the nation well, I prefer a strong and tyrannical government, who knows what it is democracy, what a rotten governments who think that a thought can change an entire game without moving a finger if you want this and my ideology, but I think Amakna continue well become the best nation in the game. So say a thing, will not blame the Lion Heart by persons other than what it is and never saberam Respect, Humility and Democracy.

Sincerely, volcanic-Shield, candidate for Governor of Brakmar.




posté March 12, 2012, 13:03:11 | #42

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How do you think you can learn anything if you can't be in a position to learn those things? You cant expect that everyone knows exactly what to do when they first try something new. Maybe you know and maybe you're the perfect little boy for everything that this game has to offer?

And secondly, how hard it is to be newbie-friendly? It doesn't take much, really. While you can help newbies and make things better, you just waste your time whining how shitty things are.

You should learn from guides, from other members with more experience, from those who have done those things in beta. Ask questions online and on the forums. Ideally BEFORE you take up a position. A person that is expected to do things that are important for hundreds of other players should not be a newbie. Isn't that obvious?

I'm not that knowledgeable myself and I've only been playing in beta for a couple of weeks. There are lots of people more suitable for the job than me... or you. It is a matter of plain common sense. Don't mess with something you don't know how to do if by screwing up you'll let down a lot of people.


posté March 12, 2012, 13:17:16 | #43

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Quote (Kalapuikko @ 12 March 2012 12:15) *
How do you think you can learn anything if you can't be in a position to learn those things? You cant expect that everyone knows exactly what to do when they first try something new. Maybe you know and maybe you're the perfect little boy for everything that this game has to offer?

And secondly, how hard it is to be newbie-friendly? It doesn't take much, really. While you can help newbies and make things better, you just waste your time whining how shitty things are.

You should learn from guides, from other members with more experience, from those who have done those things in beta. Ask questions online and on the forums. Ideally BEFORE you take up a position. A person that is expected to do things that are important for hundreds of other players should not be a newbie. Isn't that obvious?

I'm not that knowledgeable myself and I've only been playing in beta for a couple of weeks. There are lots of people more suitable for the job than me... or you. It is a matter of plain common sense. Don't mess with something you don't know how to do if by screwing up you'll let down a lot of people.
As I understand from your post, you don't even want to give newbies a chance to do anything. The best way to learn sometimes, is to learn it from mistakes and you're saying that should not be possible. And I know I'm not suitable for governor, I actually don't ever wanna be a governor since there are so many annoying, cocky idiots as seen in this topic. You just put people in stress, you are not even trying to help the governor that is ATM running the nation. You're just simply pushing him down...


Narcissistic Larva * Member Since 2012-02-21
posté March 12, 2012, 13:28:43 | #44
"Learning wrong ..." Dude you do not understandthat Governor must be an experienced guy,committed an error equal to the whole nation, asa beginner you make many mistakes and will never be reelected, and the next governor will have to work hard to fix their mistakes, such thing as government and for people who play in more than one in Closed Beta and Open Beta.


posté March 12, 2012, 15:15:28 | #45
As I said earlier, no one is helping the government atm. Everyone is just whining how bad things are and say how things would be if someone else would've been the one elected. And what there's been said about the ecosystem, that's not the governors job - it's mostly normal player's job. About that you should've been whining to the weather man etc, not the governor.


Narcissistic Larva * Member Since 2012-02-21
posté March 12, 2012, 15:33:20 | #46
Face as the players do not change the thinkingabout the Ecosystem, had always been so. You can see that the French server some nations do not use the Eco Terrorism, that should happen inan international community does not need a law, we need to change people's thinking.

Man against the divisions of the work, think and very stupid, a governor alone can govern anation, having neither a Deputy Governor nor a man of the time, I think the political system of the game needs to be modified because the governor and equal to all functions ...

Another thing the economy, po puts 15% of ratesin all locations and ready, with an average indexof Kamas per week, thus helping the bottom of the nation ... have more people who talk talk and talk even more and does not move even a finger ...


Narcissistic Larva * Member Since 2010-06-09
posté March 12, 2012, 15:36:34 | #47

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I choice tyrrans if they can control islands and keep 10% taxes.
You see, this is what pisses me of! Go check the tax schedule, i've tried to talk with you people. You gotta help me too :/ I'm posting more stuff on the it tonight, WILL change taxes as well if the popularity wants that


posté March 12, 2012, 17:01:41 | #48
Low taxes = poor treasury = insufficient funds for ecosystem.


Overweighted Chafer * Member Since 2011-10-25
posté March 12, 2012, 18:00:54 | #49

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Low taxes = poor treasury
thnx god that u are not in real goverment
LH always kept taxes in Amakna at 10% and had a pretty good funds.

btw, nice to see:




Overweighted Chafer * Member Since 2012-01-04
posté March 13, 2012, 19:59:29 | #50
They're good people. They're strong people. Only trouble is, that they're loyal only to themselves. Strong Governor? I say loud and everyone knows that: Wimbie doesn't actually do good work. Moreover, I barely see him doing anything (for Governor it's impossible to appear everywhere, but hey, seriously I can't see him doing anything but leveling).
But strong governor is not one that reaches highest level. With help of entire army behind back. Strong Governor is not one that wins every fight started because of own need of compensating and boredom even! It's not one chased by anger of tens of people by repeatable aggro and mocking laughter all time after. It's not one using strenght, when tongue runs out of words, even those soaked with venom. It's not one, that does only thing to mark Amakna's power by massmurder at Bonta's marketplace. (Later, so typically, repaid in blood of Amaknians).

It's not LH that keeps all regions in 10% of taxes - it's every, EVERY single Gov, because raising it even a little since ten mandates back is political suicide. According to Stalin's plan, they want to reborn idea of Weekend Wars (both idea and name were born in Sufokia under reign of Prismatic), using Wimbie's lack of any will for pvp, that some, including me, sometimes need..

Only twice in game (as far as I remember) it happened that Lions were out of Government. What happened with winners? Typical aggro, alt "art of boo'ing", disturbing governor meetings, stalking phoenix travel service - those are answers. Wimbie was just too weak to face them mentally.

What about funds! To sponsor weather or not to sponsor is one of most difficult questions: in one hand it would make crafters happy (replanting barley and other almost extinct species), from the other LH is known from avoiding this kind of operations because of.. waste of money. That, as they proceed, should be spent on challenges. Ok, have challenges then, check average lvl of people and choose best moment, announce to let everyone take part, once challenge can be purchased only for 24 hours.. Yes? No! EIGHT THOUSANDS of kamas dissappeared from funds for Bilbiza challenges that NOONE but LH knew about, to provide them with rare drops, later sold for incredible prices at one of alt's market haven bag, was his name Special Offer or sth like that.
When poor Odnofs, back then Governor of Brakmar, walked into them searching for stupid emote, they chased him all the way to his castle; it took almost two hours to calm him down before stupid war could blow up.
They know almost everything about Wakfu and know what to do with authority to serve high level players. Them in their own flesh. Governor is not able to withdraw tax money for own needs, but some mastered the sollution of avoiding this fact.

Their experience. I really want to see one of them in government, because, you want it or not, they're veterans, elite of fighters, Amakna's treasure, like an Eliacube - incredible power followed by incredible troubles. Problem is, that they're too closed for anybody outside their own brotherhood.
Portraited this way, one of them on seat doesn't seem really easy to cooperate with the rest, screw language barrier, everything is possible in international community - they're just rejecting such possibility. Two of them mean both cutting out from the rest and proceeding with own plans.
That was also reason, why mixed government never appeared under their reign.

Not even mentioning of acting like a horde for everyday, lack of any dialog with every single nation abroad, word tyrrany may be wrong - or at least I wish for it to be wrong. I hope. Embrace me, flames, if I don't hope, because they learnt that not only alt votes will bring them the crown, so we can see propaganda now (and alts still farming cp in case of emergency). Embrace me flames, because one hell of a election awaits Amakna..

And one more thing: I tried to cooperate. I tried to believe, that I misjudged them, hope, that maybe after some time they'll act less like they did; I was defending them before nations' governorn upset about mass aggro on their territory, treated rather as troublesome obstacle, later - untamed elite - than enemies: and I still do.
I'm way more experienced than I was before, stronger, opened, but my hope still burns within. No matter if the pain is unbearable - I wish for one of elite Amakna's guild to be fair.


This post has been edited by Jannet-fenix - March 13, 2012, 21:20:29.
Tofurby on Diet * Member Since 2011-11-23
posté March 13, 2012, 21:39:18 | #51
Jannet, do not want to spoil your beautiful speech, but will have to. If you put the facts of history, so be good not to distort them. All challenges on the island BilBiza were paid for my personal kamas. I came to the island, put in a bag items for 50 000 kamas and 5 000 went to the budget, the government was only required to come in and turn on the challenge. And it was not 8000, it was 12,500 kamas earned by selling craft items. The only rare drop that can be obtained there is mystical Gelano, but unfortunately 2 days after we finally got the keys to the dungeon - the island was closed, we did not get the ring, so it was nothing 2 sale . For all actions described there are witnesses, including those of your friends.

Odnofs. He was asked several times not to interfere with the performance of the challenge, he did not heed. For example, the same day there were sadida, hard in remembering nickname, something like Trantora. Also told not to interfere, she asked for the key in the BilBiza dungeon - received, all were satisfied.


Overweighted Chafer * Member Since 2012-01-04
posté March 14, 2012, 01:15:25 | #52
Mind reminding my own 1500 I've put in taxes, and other 1000 purchased on every express I was passing by, afraid that I won't have money to buy anything at start, so people will feel I failed them? Mind reminding all alts negative votes, and laughing at statues noone was able to get rid of?
And nope, most of those money withdrawed for Bilbiza was day after day gathered with my own hands from Hugo's and Crusty Road, gathered all in one place, awaiting challenge that everyone may take part in, not only you and your club; then, suddenly, Kerath asks: Where the heck are 8kk?! I let Murr have Vice, because I started to have a little trust in you, and the other day she takes out tax money, for "secret" operation, that actually noone but you could take part in, without asking and without any warning.
Mind reminding how many times people complained on your monopoly of marketplace?
While some barely earn 20 kamas per day, mind bringin' up the quote of "I could easily buy all dragoturkeys of Amakna"?
Not fair voting affair, attacking anyone trying to disturb your cp farming (deja vu going on this month as well!)
Repeating mass murder whenever you appear?
RAGE I had to face, when I dared to cross your path!

I'm not against you, and you know that, and I admitted that loosing elite like you would be waste. I am against rule than not only I see as pretty wrong - in behaviour, acting, dialog as with own as with other nations. Lies, that I don't want to believe that are typical for you. Aggro and hissing behind back, closing for everyone but own ring. Murr taught me to give you second chance, so I stepped back in the shadow, with eyes opened.
You may feedback some of my points, but you won't change entire trouble of yous. May, because all witnesses you can mention are from your own surroundings, and one doesn't know loyalty stronger than Slavic one. May, because it is all about entire image you created during all that time and sustain successfully, what we can observe here. May, because now you're trying to convince people that abandoned you, but without which you won't succeed (guess alts are not everything?) by using ideas of everyone else but your own.
I am strong now. Still stable with psychic and untouched by the poisonous threats. I know that more troubles I'd have If I tried to capture the crown, than letting you sit on throne and observe still and ignorant, but... I guess I'm not that kind of woman.
I'm dissappointed, Leann.
By the way, congrats on writting speech for Arri, or congrats on his english that developed by a mile in one night. You're not helping yourself.

I came from your cousin country dealing with politicians in your style everyday, so don't think my eyes can be covered so easily.
I can hear your growl in my shadow already, I can see your paws following my trail. Some poeple now wait for epic drama battle, but it's not my goal - maybe some exciting add for game.
You're my not enemy, Leann. You're Pride, Swarm that can't be tamed, but won't also make me bow down. You're obstacle. Barrier for Amaknians and touchy topic of those forced to face your hubris outside border.
And despite that, and fact that probably now, after declaring openly that I'm going to face you, I won't have a moment of peace from your side, I still hope you may open eyes and see what is going on wrong among the Golden Fields. It will bring relief to everyone.


This post has been edited by Jannet-fenix - March 14, 2012, 01:16:05.
Overweighted Chafer * Member Since 2011-10-25
posté March 14, 2012, 04:52:12 | #53

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I'm dissappointed, Leann.
By the way, congrats on writting speech for Arri, or congrats on his english that developed by a mile in one night. You're not helping yourself.

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speech for Arri

fcuk my life! what my nick going in this theme?
it is too paranoid even for you, jannet.

Or you are that kind of guys that thinking ALL LION HEART IS A SAME NERD PERSON FROM RUSSIAN WITH HUNDREDS ACCOUNTS?

I just dont know how can I give explanation for THIS shit. My goodness, i was like ur speech right before that paranoid sentence.
U really better stop thinking about me already, cause it`s break ur mind as i can see.


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I won't have a moment of peace from your side
I dont see more ppl here exept same guys from Interference that WANNA DRAMA so much. I really sure that nobody does give a single fkuc about what happend before. Cause one small reasone: it`s gone already.
Before i was in war with Black-Twigligh and many other guilds, before there was problems is our guild, before there was so much shit. But its all gone. Like a situation that was between u and LH in beta.
So that was a bit egocentric, cause u just make a problem from nothing. Did i kill u when i saw u ingame? Did anyone from my guild touched u? Nope. Cause they dont care about all this crap now. LH has a great beta history and how u can guess there was a million situations like that.
You just take everything too close to ur heart like a typical woman. Even I smtimes do that. So, i dont think that it`s a big problem but u really have to do smth with it.


I cant imagine how many mistakes can be in this text but i`m too shocked right now to check it.


This post has been edited by tkurwa - March 14, 2012, 05:09:47.
posté March 14, 2012, 05:37:50 | #54
You guys are going to be top politicians one day this is a game for gods sake , do you know what's GAME ? omg , go see you doctors  


Overweighted Chafer * Member Since 2011-10-25
posté March 14, 2012, 05:49:13 | #55

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You guys are going to be top politicians one day this is a game for gods sake , do you know what's GAME ? omg , go see you doctors
After all that dramas on forum that contait my name and full of hate i really should take ur advice @.@


This post has been edited by tkurwa - March 14, 2012, 05:51:34.
Tofurby on Diet * Member Since 2011-11-23
posté March 14, 2012, 06:53:33 | #56
Jannet, u r frking lier. This english ok?
sorry for you, lie at every turn. You gave Murr head guard than vice only because it was at least some sort of patronage for your weak ass.

write poems more, ur doing it in order at read all tired and did not notice howblatantly you change the facts?


Overweighted Chafer * Member Since 2012-01-04
posté March 14, 2012, 08:28:57 | #57
I gave Murr Headguard, after that Lenya kicked her out of guild, like a traitor - even If I did that because I trusted her and her skills were way too much to go in waste. And week before end of my mandate she became Vice after she asked me for it - I did it MOSTLY because I was thankfull that she tried to calm down situation between me and top of LH, and that, what I repeated all that time, I trusted her - I never was that stupid to force her to cut any contact with people she admired and treated as friends. Kerath tried to - he left; I wanted to see an improve, not hate from my side. At least I hoped so.
So Murr was a vice, and EXACTLY that time she used that for Lion's Heart sake. I never saw more loyal person than she was, I guess that if was beta and I calmed down after that somehow..


T, because I don't want to use swearwords, calm down, please? I was wondering for a long time who may Stalin be; even expected Murr, that I hoped to see again, and who claimed that will abandon sram for eniripsa at the very start of the game. One keeping so close to Arrival and Gjonker; one who's actions were a mystery for me.
Then, trying to force Wimbie to stop behaving like a resenful kid, (at Hugo's Meadow, where he couldn't step even a little from phoenix because someone was having fun with aggro), I met Stalin face to face, then heard someone calling her the name of Leann. Ok, that style of speech and acting was typical for her, but maybe I was wrong? Between words that were trying to humilitate me, I plaited literally the same question with the same doubts. Didn't get negation, and any reaction, when I continued calling her that name.
About the rest, I believe I can actually divide alts from real people, most of your new recruits seem to be fair.
(I said OR someone helped Arrival to write that post, or he actually spent a lot of time with improving own skills).

Long speech is not bad speech, only person skipping because of amount of text may happen not to care. Or one may be too tired of mere english I use - cannot deny that my grammar is still poor.
Still, you didn't reflect most of my accusations, those from first post I wrote, because I thought that this discusson is offensive in stereotypical way for one side, and by bullstories soaked for the other. Instead of it you're trying to drive me out of statement and continue senseless quarrel.
And if you claim that my posts are poems - man, I've never heard nicer compliment before! Guess I like braiding speech with variety of words that may sound less "prose" than others, but poems also are good in describing situation.

And here we go with weak ass again. Unfortunately, I'm not lvl30 anymore. What you want me to do: challenge your elite, one by one? I actually have life outside the game, university even, and can't step out of astonishment, how one's able to level up that fast as you do.
Besides (oh I love this word), point me one "lie" I wrote. I don't deflect by diving out of the topic, but explaining - so let my need for long speech enjoy this conversation a little more.


This post has been edited by Jannet-fenix - March 14, 2012, 08:37:13.
Tofurby on Diet * Member Since 2011-11-23
posté March 14, 2012, 08:58:58 | #58
Again lie..he he. Murr went out, not kicked.
better for you to stop writing it as you do not know, then again it will start cryingabout the baseless aggression. Liars have to suffer!


Overweighted Chafer * Member Since 2011-10-25
posté March 14, 2012, 09:07:57 | #59

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I actually have life outside the game

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three huge posts with a detailed description of events with names, guilds, numbers for almost 2 month
yes of couse.


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Lenya kicked her out of guild

and here again, u wanna discuss smth about u know nothing. and heard about it only from one person whom obviosly wasn`t objective.

And u begin to lie again. Gosh, ppl really dont care bout all this crap. But that sad fairy tail that u wrote make me feel sorry for u.
I didnt know that the game hurt u SO much that u talking bout 'power' and 'lvl' in every ur post

Now that`s became funny, i think u are first person who take it so deep to heart.


This post has been edited by tkurwa - March 14, 2012, 09:08:54.
Overweighted Chafer * Member Since 2012-01-04
posté March 14, 2012, 14:35:09 | #60
Hey, you treat me like there was nothing more important for me than winning this thing.
But as I said yesterday in completely different case, people make the game and fun, and people cannot be tricked so shamelessly..! If one is cursed for acting awfully, even with a crown I won't change it - this is not election topic, but the one complaining on LH's Actions. Seems like I forgot about it through this page, have my apologies.

I said before I love to write, besides, If I plan to do something, I gather information (about three huge posts). And how come I could not know all these details, when sitting on a throne?
Case of Murr I always portrait in the same words I heard from her: after she accepted HeadGuard status from me she got in quarrel with Lennie; one ended up beaten up, the other one - without guild. Ok, got me: I assume using the word kicked was wrong, but none of sides ever brought details of this kind to me. Never felt need to do so, it was enough to see her hissing at mentioning the name of Leann.

Liars must suffer? Liars must admit that they do wrong.
Will I have the crown - it will bring even more worries on me; won't I have - you may be sure I won't act as you do. All I want from you is to stop acting in way that pisses off everyone around.
I may dance with words, I may be wrong or mistaken, but I don't lie. I wrote some accussations, and have to defend from senseless words instead of hearing explanation.

I love to write and I love when game is enpowered by drama, some engagement, some emotions. But seriously, sometimes something has to come to end.