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Funny how 80% of you are game designers
posté May 10, 2012, 01:48:51 | #1
Funny how 80% of you are game designers I agree Ankama has messed up big time, but it's funny how some forum members say "they could have just done this: [insert solution that only works in some situations]!!!1".

If the design of the game was poor from the start there might not be a way to fix things the way you think they should be fixed. I'm sure the developers spend hours trying to think of the optimal way to fix problems and there's no way someone who hasn't even seen the source code of the game could possibly know better.

There's one thing I've learned over the years: People don't understand if one problem is fixed in a certain way it could cause three new problems.

The thing I don't understand is why the hell isn't there a test server? - This is actually the only unacceptable thing right now. Bugs will always be there, even if you pay €50 a month to play.
After messing up this big a test server should be the first thing on their minds.

Also don't hate me for saying the truth.


posté May 10, 2012, 06:43:05 | #2
I think the lack of test server is actually part of the business plan :/

Since ankama and square dont want to mix player bases or eaven want them to interact with one anohter (i mean you need a proxy to eaven to read the na forums) a test server witch would be open to all subscribers would kinda mess the separations of each chunk of clientel

I might be wrong here since i just assume that there would one server open to all subbers but it just seems silly to have each test server per community


posté May 10, 2012, 06:43:55 | #3
We aren't idiots. We can see how a lot of their decisions revolve around making us pay more for less game play (their business model, more like a scam model) and how they are too lazy to do things properly. Like telling us there is no rollback then making a rollback.
They are too lazy to even create a testing server.

We are the customers, we know what we want. We don't have to be qualified to know that but they should be qualified enough to listen to us, but it seems like a such a difficult task for these people.

Reason why I and so many others have stopped paying their ridiculous asses.


posté May 10, 2012, 07:44:58 | #4

Quote (NerdFiction @ 10 May 2012 01:48) *
I agree Ankama has messed up big time, but it's funny how some forum members say "they could have just done this: [insert solution that only works in some situations]!!!1".

Different companies have handled similar situations differently. Every suggestion I've seen on the forums was completely within the realm of possibility and has been employed, at some point, by different companies.

One such similar incident was when PvP (Gladiator) gear in World of Warcraft was made available on merchants for absolutely no cost and tradeable between players. This led to mostly everyone on the server, including lower level alts, to walk around in high-end PvP gear.

Was there a rollback? No, there wasn't. I'm sure it was a complete hassle to track down the illegitimate pieces of gear, and differentiate them from the ones obtained legitimately, but they did it - overnight. This occurred during Arena Season 6 I believe, before Wrath of the Lich King was released.

The fact they resorted to a server rollback, which they claim to know is the worst possible decision they can make, not even four months after the game's launch, leaves you uneasy about the future of the game, to say the very least.

Quote (NerdFiction @ 10 May 2012 01:48) *
If the design of the game was poor from the start there might not be a way to fix things the way you think they should be fixed. I'm sure the developers spend hours trying to think of the optimal way to fix problems and there's no way someone who hasn't even seen the source code of the game could possibly know better.

This isn't our problem, and we shouldn't be penalized for it either.

Quote (NerdFiction @ 10 May 2012 01:48) *
There's one thing I've learned over the years: People don't understand if one problem is fixed in a certain way it could cause three new problems.

See above.

Quote (NerdFiction @ 10 May 2012 01:48) *
The thing I don't understand is why the hell isn't there a test server? - This is actually the only unacceptable thing right now. Bugs will always be there, even if you pay €50 a month to play.
After messing up this big a test server should be the first thing on their minds.

This has been suggested for a long time, but Ankama turns a blind eye to anyone but their own French community. Until one of their developers personally experiences the need for change, nothing will happen.

This is a direct result of the alienation and separation of communities that Ankama decided to enforce. I would like to meet the genius who thought that splitting your playerbase would ever be a wise idea.

Quote (NerdFiction @ 10 May 2012 01:48) *
Also don't hate me for saying the truth.

Opinions aren't facts.


posté May 10, 2012, 08:14:04 | #5

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We aren't idiots. We can see how a lot of their decisions revolve around making us pay more for less game play (their business model, more like a scam model) and how they are too lazy to do things properly. Like telling us there is no rollback then making a rollback.
They are too lazy to even create a testing server.

We are the customers, we know what we want. We don't have to be qualified to know that but they should be qualified enough to listen to us, but it seems like a such a difficult task for these people.

Reason why I and so many others have stopped paying their ridiculous asses.


You cant be serious..

Ankama is charging as 5€ per month to and mainly targeting europeans and norten american's.. That is basicly free as far as p2p goes!

And maka items are optional and really arent that great i thought using one but that just ended up cripling me (level hammer that isnt eaven the right element for just to get lea and ap in lv 100? No thx ill keep my axe thank you very much)

And as for test server i think we all agree that is necesity, but ankama may have reason not to have one and were are not entitled to thouse reasons (personally my guess is the player base separation thingy that i mentioned earlier)

And devs didint say that there isnt be roll back they said theyre trying to avoid it and as it turns out didint find a way to avoid it and since WE did not create the code we dont know if there eaven were altarnative !


Also if you stopped playing why are you still here?!


posté May 10, 2012, 08:22:13 | #6
Except basically free is still not free.

Maka items are as optional as wearing actual items with stats over cash shop cosmetic items without. You may go around larping in your jester costume but at the end of the day you're still going to lose to someone wearing something better.

The fact that you chose the wrong maka item for your element doesn't make them less powerfull or esential and just ap? ) how about just ap mechanics and range that all go on maka bow.

We're not entitled to know the reasons? What are we slaves on ankamas plantation? We're paying customers we're entitled to a decent product and knowing what steps are taken to improve said product.

And the developers pretty much let the servers run for 48 hours after they ANNOUNCED a rollback. That is plain stupid and inexcusable.


posté May 10, 2012, 08:30:43 | #7
im osa.. So the earth hammer is pretty much right weopon to go except lea is useless and extra ap isnt that great any regular weopon gives way better stats..

And the gear was not the point i was answering earlier post where someone acused ankama being money grouping creedy entety witch isnt true sure theyre company they need to make a profit but theyre not milking us in any shape or form the cosmetic items are pretty much case and point

And yes were not entitled to know everything that ankama decides to do were entitled to the product info yes but test server isnt excatly a paid service.

let it run 48 h since annoument.. They made ingame popper 24 before and later said that theyre trying to avoid it..

rollback was wrong yes but there might have not been any other way around ankama dosent have same recourses than well blizard for example.


This post has been edited by MikaeYami - May 10, 2012, 08:32:02.
Reason for edit : typo's
posté May 10, 2012, 09:25:07 | #8
Just because a Makabra isn't that great for you doesn't mean that's the case for everyone.

For most classes, AP quickly becomes their best damage stat.

And how often do you even attack with a weapon anyway? Not like the element matters unless you're using it for range.


posté May 10, 2012, 18:02:40 | #9
Weopons are actually quite usefull.

they can be used for spell grinding as pointed out by zeith in osa forums and iv seen some xelors eaven use needles as main damage dealers since the base damage of weopon is often higher than spell's.

And ap is usefull yes but ur sacrficing too much to get it if you use maka weopon. (not to mention the fact that ap items are starting to pop in high quantitea just high level jewler can make 2 ap items)


posté May 10, 2012, 21:27:18 | #10

Quote (MikaeYami @ 10 May 2012 08:14) *

Quote (BbeforeA @ 10 May 2012 06:43) *
We aren't idiots. We can see how a lot of their decisions revolve around making us pay more for less game play (their business model, more like a scam model) and how they are too lazy to do things properly. Like telling us there is no rollback then making a rollback.
They are too lazy to even create a testing server.

We are the customers, we know what we want. We don't have to be qualified to know that but they should be qualified enough to listen to us, but it seems like a such a difficult task for these people.

Reason why I and so many others have stopped paying their ridiculous asses.


You cant be serious..

Ankama is charging as 5€ per month to and mainly targeting europeans and norten american's.. That is basicly free as far as p2p goes!

And maka items are optional and really arent that great i thought using one but that just ended up cripling me (level hammer that isnt eaven the right element for just to get lea and ap in lv 100? No thx ill keep my axe thank you very much)

And as for test server i think we all agree that is necesity, but ankama may have reason not to have one and were are not entitled to thouse reasons (personally my guess is the player base separation thingy that i mentioned earlier)

And devs didint say that there isnt be roll back they said theyre trying to avoid it and as it turns out didint find a way to avoid it and since WE did not create the code we dont know if there eaven were altarnative !


Also if you stopped playing why are you still here?!

I have to pay $10.00 as i am living in the UK.

And yes they did they there was not going to be a rollback in-game. They announced to everyone asking them to protest at Astrub center then later announced no rollback.


And regardless of whether or not it's cheap or expensive it is still a paid service, a business. I didn't pay for rollbacks. So many bugs in game, they patch the bug and create a new bug, people take advantage of that NEW bug and we all get punished. Repeating lvs is so boring that it puts me off playing again, this is not what i paid for. And like everyone else was suggesting, what's the big deal with banning them? Like u said it's sooo cheap already they can make new accounts

Also the changings to game mechanics, sacrier game play? Berserker to tanker? Maybe u never wanted that and u are stuck with a tank. And now they are changing the exp system.
Paying for a game then spending hours and hours getting to high lv just to be told everything is changing.

Some people joined the game just to get to high lv so they could PVP with other high lvs not to enjoy the quests/dungeons which i find very boring.
There isn't even a good outlaw system to role play in the game yet. This is not a proper game, this is us paying amakna to finish their own game with our own money so that they can make more money later on. Makes me feel scammed. Especially when the trailer videos tell u all these nice things that the game offers but then u don't even get them in game and only find out later on how boring the game ends up being without them.

I feel scammed and i'm still posting cos this is not what i want, and if raging at the ridiculous management team helps then that's what i will keep doing.


This post has been edited by BbeforeA - May 10, 2012, 21:45:13.
posté May 10, 2012, 22:09:52 | #11

Quote (NerdFiction @ 10 May 2012 01:48) *
I agree Ankama has messed up big time, but it's funny how some forum members say "they could have just done this: [insert solution that only works in some situations]!!!1".

If the design of the game was poor from the start there might not be a way to fix things the way you think they should be fixed. I'm sure the developers spend hours trying to think of the optimal way to fix problems and there's no way someone who hasn't even seen the source code of the game could possibly know better.

There's one thing I've learned over the years: People don't understand if one problem is fixed in a certain way it could cause three new problems.

The thing I don't understand is why the hell isn't there a test server? - This is actually the only unacceptable thing right now. Bugs will always be there, even if you pay €50 a month to play.
After messing up this big a test server should be the first thing on their minds.

Also don't hate me for saying the truth.
Funny how you dare to discut about ours opinion

Who are you? alone gey?

We are community - you are alone

And we seems ankama not right

Stupid jerk - quant of subscribers - min 1 million - and 1 month - from 5 to 11 $

Im from Russia - and I pay 89.90 whithout taxes - 2% to convertation 2% to acept and 10% to adding my money to webmoney system for 1 yaer sub

5 millions $ at month - its realy good money to do GOOD CAME BETTER


posté May 10, 2012, 22:15:32 | #12
I honestly don't feel like arguing or anything with you guys I'm just going to clear up that ankama never said they were going to cancel the rollback for good.They said that it was canceled for the moment but they also added that they still kept it as an option if they had not found a better solution (and looks like they didn't)...

At least get your facts right...

And I'm not defending ankama in any way...


posté May 12, 2012, 03:06:24 | #13
I couldn't be bothered to read another rant topic, just wanted to say "I am a games designer" so ner-ner.

15 years+, i must be sick in the head..hehe