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posté April 27, 2012, 21:18:16 | #1
Makabra rings changes? In my opinion it is unfair to change Makabra rings attributes after sale... I bought my Makabra ring and after patch it will be useless and i had to pay for it.... how it will be compensated?


posté April 27, 2012, 21:21:48 | #2
By not having an obviously overpowered item that ruins the balance for everyone you included. This is a good change.


posté April 27, 2012, 21:24:58 | #3
but if you sell something 4 real money you dont change statistics after...


posté April 27, 2012, 21:28:40 | #4
And that is written where?


posté April 27, 2012, 21:32:07 | #5

Quote (Yash666 @ 27 April 2012 21:24) *
but if you sell something 4 real money you dont change statistics after...

I completely understand the point, but also Oberyn-Martell's... I think it is not possible to "not" change an item with stats over the course of how ever long Wakfu will run...

So the question then is, as raised in other threads, why even sell items with stats beside cosmetical ones?

Boutique thread 


posté April 27, 2012, 21:55:53 | #6
Sorry i can't stop the feeling that i was some kind of cheated...


posté April 27, 2012, 21:57:13 | #7

Quote (Yash666 @ 27 April 2012 21:18) *
how it will be compensated?

They are not required to compensate you in any way.

Quote (Wakfu Terms of Agreement @ 01 January 1970 01:00) *
12.2 You understand that by using the Game having being informed of modifications, additions and/or deletions you accept these changes, additions and/or deletions.

Quote (Wakfu Terms of Agreement @ 01 January 1970 01:00) *
12.3 The Company reserves the right to make updates and changes to the Client, Service and Game (the ''Updater'') in order to improve the gaming experience. To ensure that these updates and changes are effective and that you can continue to play the Game, you hereby agree to install this Updater.

Wakfu Terms of Agreement


posté April 27, 2012, 22:05:02 | #8
@Yash666

You pay for the product (game), therefore, following your assignment, they have to compensate us for every change they make to the game.

If it should be applied to Boutique items, it also has to be applied to normal game changes, since we're also paying for it.


This post has been edited by Arthropoda - April 27, 2012, 22:06:29.
posté April 27, 2012, 22:18:44 | #9

Quote (Arthropoda @ 27 April 2012 22:05) *
You pay for the product (game), therefore, following your assignment, they have to compensate us for every change they make to the game.

Just to further clarify - You accept any change made to the game by playing it; and it is entirely up to Ankama whether they want to provide a compensation or not.


Quote (Arthropoda @ 27 April 2012 22:05) *
If it should be applied to Boutique items, it also has to be applied to normal game changes, since we're also paying for it.

Both the Boutique and Wakfu have their own Terms of Usage, but you are not entitled to any compensation for having goods removed or changed, should they decide that's the best course of action to take for the sake of the game.


This post has been edited by Lohaf - April 27, 2012, 22:21:17.
posté April 27, 2012, 22:22:08 | #10
@Lohaf

Ah, did not know that. Then it's all up to Ankama.


posté April 27, 2012, 22:26:09 | #11
Thx for explanation that its not worth to buy anything except decoration and insignias. Because everything can change into useless garbage ;]


posté April 27, 2012, 22:28:47 | #12

Quote (Arthropoda @ 27 April 2012 22:22) *
@Lohaf

Ah, did not know that. Then it's all up to Ankama.

Unfortunately, most people don't bother reading the Terms of Agreement or Usage before installing the game. It is clearly stated that they are allowed to make any changes they deem necessary to the game, with or without notice.

They're already being nice by announcing this change ahead of time, as they're not legally obliged to even do that.

Of course, any compensation provided is also entirely up to them. They reserved the right not to provide any.


This post has been edited by Lohaf - April 27, 2012, 22:29:22.
posté April 27, 2012, 22:33:59 | #13
so why they don't write under the butique - we can change statistics after you buy items? pure marketing again + some legal babble. In the end ppl are unhappy becouse they feel used. Thats all


posté April 27, 2012, 22:59:38 | #14

Quote (Yash666 @ 27 April 2012 22:33) *
so why they don't write under the butique - we can change statistics after you buy items? pure marketing again + some legal babble. In the end ppl are unhappy becouse they feel used. Thats all

That's what Lohaf is trying to say: They say it on the Terms of Use, that long list that almost everyone does not read and just click on Agree button. It is entirely your fault if you didnt read it. I'd say such changes were expected, seeing the rage that was born from their decision to sell those items.


posté April 28, 2012, 02:28:53 | #15
You know what sucks? I was lvling makabrafire rings (those with reflect) because i play as tank and i dont want to receive all this OP dmg from damage dealer. Reflect was hope for me. Now they changed it to ini+dmg%. I don't get it. They should at least turn it to ini+resist% if they really needed to change it. 


posté April 28, 2012, 03:22:45 | #16
Terms of service is a poor defence. You could level a maka up to 100 only to find the next day it's totally changed and worthless to your build.

Sure Ankama have every right to do that, but it doesn't mean it's decent thing to do. Indeed Ankama could screw over their customers as much as they wanted, but it wouldn't be a very smart business plan.

It's not just a simple fact that people have paid for an in game item that has changed but they have also put time and effort into said items. The honest thing to do would be to refund every changed maka item and replace them with a user bound service that can transfer the accumlated experience into a different maka.

At the end of the day its all about respect, and this sort of practice is rather disrespectful.

How would you feel if they removed your +1ap from your level 100 maka weapon next? Or even changed the element? Ankama have every right to do that.


posté April 28, 2012, 03:30:14 | #17

Quote (Shiraf @ 28 April 2012 03:22) *
Terms of service is a poor defence. You could level a maka up to 100 only to find the next day it's totally changed and worthless to your build.

Sure Ankama have every right to do that, but it doesn't mean it's decent thing to do. Indeed Ankama could screw over their customers as much as they wanted, but it wouldn't be a very smart business plan.

It's not just a simple fact that people have paid for an in game item that has changed but they have also put time and effort into said items. The honest thing to do would be to refund every changed maka item and replace them with a user bound service that can transfer the accumlated experience into a different maka.

At the end of the day its all about respect, and this sort of practice is rather disrespectful.

How would you feel if they removed your +1ap from your level 100 maka weapon next? Or even changed the element? Ankama have every right to do that.
Nothing will surprise me now. Even if they will suddenly decide to make every class have 3 spells only.  


posté April 28, 2012, 03:37:18 | #18

Quote (Shiraf @ 28 April 2012 03:22) *
Sure Ankama have every right to do that, but it doesn't mean it's decent thing to do. Indeed Ankama could screw over their customers as much as they wanted, but it wouldn't be a very smart business plan.

the real question is, do they have a smart plan in anything?


Quote (Yash666 @ 27 April 2012 22:33) *
so why they don't write under the butique - we can change statistics after you buy items? pure marketing again + some legal babble. In the end ppl are unhappy becouse they feel used. Thats all

exactly, most people unhappy about something will likely find themselves speechless when Ankama brings out the small print. basically they put up a very nice shop front to lure you in, and once you're in they're the boss.


This post has been edited by Siuling - April 28, 2012, 14:45:43.
posté April 28, 2012, 09:53:33 | #19
im not a person who works with laws but what i know for sure - laws of the countries are above any tos or whatever.


posté April 28, 2012, 10:48:59 | #20

Quote (supic @ 28 April 2012 09:53) *
im not a person who works with laws but what i know for sure - laws of the countries are above any tos or whatever.

This isn't relevant seeing how the service is provided in the same location the Terms of Agreement were written. You're the one accessing it remotely, and therefore agreeing to their terms.

You can't force the laws of your country on a service that is provided elsewhere.


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