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[NGG] What is NGG, First Meeting and new International Policy [NGG] The Next Generation Governments

Today Guzop, governor of Sufokia, Arachne, governor of Brakmar, Jannetfenix, governor of amakna and me (Gothox), vice of Sufokia seated together and started discussion the ongoing actions in our nations. The main point why we came together was to discuss how the future on wars will work. Soon we started to take all kinds of elements into account and we finally came to an agreement. The NGG has been born.

The NGG will be the group of all governors working together to improve the gameplay of all players. This means the NGG will support each other on gameplay elements only and not (always) on politics level. This means it is perfectly possible for example that Sufokia goes into war with Amakna while both governors keep supporting each others gameplay, meaning we will end the war from the moment people start suffering more then enjoying it.

The main reason why this NGG works is because of communication. If all governors can freely talk to each other most problems can be solved with simple solutions. Brakmar has some people going rogue and completely ruining the game for most people? The NGG will step in. (this is just an example)

Why is Cloudy from Bonta left out? Just for the simple reason that we havent been able to speak with him/her yet. We will try to contact Cloudy as soon as possible and discus those matters. We hope we can count him on.

What about Jannetfenix, the elections are soon over she might not be the next governor? First of both the Sufokian as the Brakmarian governments support Jannet as 'being a governor'. Yet again this does not mean both governments will be allies to Amakna. Second, in case Jannet loses the elections we will be glad to work with any willing governor that wins.


First Meeting

The main points we talked about on this first meeting are: war and markets. Both points are related in some way.

As we wanted to know what we would do with war we started to propose to ally Sufokia and Brakmar for the reason to support both markets as they are very low. While in war with other nations both Brak as Sufo can still use both markets which will grow them both slightly. So we came to the the second probleme which was the huge market of Bonta. We came to an agreement that if all 3 nations would go into war with Bonta, their market will suffer from this which will give the other markets a bigger chance to grow and to catch up on bonta.


International Policy

We also proposed the finally start using the International Policy as it is meant to be. This means an Ally really means an Ally and is not just an excuse for governors to not be social and use this to prevent troubles from coming their direction. This game has a neutral option in it for some reason, that reason is to give nations a way between war and ally.

Some already have noticed we already started using those neutral options. So what are the main positive and negative points about this? Yet again the biggest point is to improve the overall gameplay and reduce the 'grind'-gameplay. Nations in neutrality and with the laws preventing outsiders to kill mobs inside their nation will have their markets improved. This because outsiders will be forced to buy the materials from the markets in case they dont want to lose CP. On the other hand this also might reduce the number of players in that nation, counting players from all nations, and reduce activity around dungeons.


We already agreed to cease this neutrality in case we notice a huge drop in satisfaction of the average player. The NGG will always try to give our people the best gameplay-experience.

In case you have any ideas, hate mail or just a thank you, please post below. We will be glad to answer them all.


Grtzz Gothox
[NGG] Vice of Sufokia
-Myrmidons-

ps) in case i forgot to mention some points please add them (to Jannet, Guzop and Arachne)
pps) to the forum mods, is it possible to let those topics be in the general discusion category? Because there will be alot of gameplay discussed in here and in future topics. Thanks.


Important note
This is a reaction to some of the replies below

Take note people the NGG is NOT about helping out any nation ar destroying one. The NGG is all about communication between all the governors who then will try to discuss what the best ways are to entertain you guys. Ofcourse some people will feel offended while others will jump from joy, as it is impossible to give every single person what they want, we want to at least try to give most of them a fun experience.

Also I personally think you HAVE to be happy in some way. At least now your governors are talking to each other, planning ahead (i aggree that we also make mistakes) and post a report on what we discussed so you know what we are up to and why we do a specific action. At least be happy we are willing to work for you and not be like passive trolls just bragging about their rank and just do nothing for their nation. If you still disaggree with this argument you are either a troll or mentaly insane (in my opinion).

As i said earlier we do think a good balance between nations will give the most user-experience. You have to know that if something has been made harder to reach for you something else will be made easier to ballance things. At least that is what we try to reach, at least support us for our hard work every day to just give some people more enjoyment. Dont get me wrong on this either we love what we do and will continu our work for the sake of giving as much fun as possible to as much players as possible.

About the case going into war with bonta, yes this will mean bonta will lose power and yes this will mean the other nations gain power. But this also means when for example Amakna gains more power then the other nations we will yet again try to balance out the game and go into war with Amakna. At this moment we see war as a good solution to all this, ofcourse we might be wrong and if we are we WILL adjust ourselves.


This post has been edited by Gothox - April 27, 2012, 23:32:48.

As a bontarian who cares about his nations economy I swear to never attack people who come to 5th just to use markets who do not do aggression against citizens of bonta in the first place. I will also advise my friends and all bontarians I come across to do so as well so your silly illegal boycott of our fair markets does not work.

Signed, that idea is so silly something should be done about it. I am sure all Bontans can agree that we use 5th as a neutral place. Our market is the most popular and best for a reason, introducing some pseudo embargo just because you have no good governments or real economic strength is just a very selfish move.

Not surprised though considering some of the people involved. I had to deal with them in the past concerning politics and they shake your hand and act all happy and sunshine, while they stab you in the back with their other hand

I have to disagree with you guys here, Its not selfish. I'm friends with alot of Bontarians and I've always used your markets but I didn't realise just how much of an effect it had on my own nation till recently. Wanting to better our own markets and improve our nation is not selfish. Lets put it into an example if you'r neighbour had a nice garden and you spent everyday helping him then you looked at your own and its a dump, trying to improve your own is selfish??

You have enough of a member base to maintain your own market this is not a boycott to drag yours down we simply want to improve our own slightly as for how long this will go on for is down to the governors. I'm sure if Cloudi goes into talks with the others we can all try work out a medium where every nation can be equally productive regardless of player base.

Sorry for the bad pun, just want you guys to realise this is not an attack its us trying to repair broken nations.

Dusteh

This war to bolster economy was first tried on Nox and it failed there like it will fail here.

If you trample his garden and pick his flowers to make yours look better, then yes that is selfish.

It just destroys diversity. You should look up how protective tarriffs influence countries in real economies. They are usually not a very good idea and this is working on a very similar base. You foster economies much better by opening up the markets more.

I dont think forcing people to use our markets is the best way either but at least the government is trying to do something about it and end of the day if does not work new tactics will be implemented I'm sure. Really the other option would be to get all nations using our markets but I do not think our Government expects or wants to ask for such a thing. Are you guys willing to start selling in Sufokia?

As Sufokian treasurer I just want the markets to pick up and I'm doing what I can to improve them but I will support my Governments decisions regardless of what they are along's the improvement is at heart.

I just want to add, I hate wars on here it disrupts my farming but I would love to hear any suggestions you have on ways we could pick the markets up with out war.

I am willing to sell in Sufokia. Question is are the Sufokians willing to buy on their own market?


I am trading a lot, it is one of the things I find a lot of fun in in this game. I gave up on Sufokia and to some extend on Brakmar too because people are simply not buying there and that is a problem that lies buried somewhere else and cannot be fixed by starting a war. Bonta has the highest population anyway imo so we will get along somehow, but the other nations restrain themselves.

The one that will profit the most from this is Amakna, who were strong anyway and now will become strongest. As I mentioned before I am not surprised by this because I had to deal with their political leaders (the same as are in charge right now) in the past when my guild was in charge of Bonta for a while and they made promises they simply didn't keep and instead backstabbed their communication partners in other governments.

Sufokia and Brakmar however won't profit from this at all.

Well I hear you I do, its not just us that can buy on our markets anyone can. People just given up on our markets along time ago, we just need to get the word around that top sellers are starting to sell in Sufokia again. I got alot of gears waiting to be crushed and my team set for the new island till then no one wants my boo, crow and rat mats it seems lol.

People use one big market instead of their national ones because people want to sell their products instead of paying a tax on nothing. If you really want to fight for your economy why not plead to amakna to change the retarded way taxes work. Taxing should be done at the point of transaction rather than placing stuff on boards. If you think your whole 12 sufokians will magically make an economy by themselves you're just kidding yourselves.

for those who still dont understand this is all about balancing the game out not to give power to 1 nation. ofc this will lead to bonta losing market but so much more can be acomplished. thats why why try to give the best gameplay experience to all players and not just the die hards or just the players from 1 nation. and i mean ALL players.

12 oO Where do you get your figures?

Ankama make it this way because they encourage situations like this, even though most of us might not agree with it.

It's called hyperbole but you must admit sufokia is grossly underpopulated and I blame it on the horrible strain on the eyes all that white sand...

And amakna does stuff because they're incompetent not because they have any master plan. They cannot plan ahead and never will. Want proof? They're removing wisdom which was a bad idea 5 years ago and is a bad idea now but it still took them so damn long to figure it out. PvP? 1-3 turn fights in a so called tactical game all because they can't plan ahead.

But you are preventing them from doing so. I will not sell in Sufokia anymore, now much less than before. And Sufokia itself has such a low population they cannot make their market strong on their own.

The first people from my guild have just quit the game because of this. Before their subscriptions run out. A majority of players neither gives a damn about the economy, nor about wars. They simply want to go somewhere they can experience the full content. Be it for crafting or for getting their equipments dropped.

You (the OP) are denying them that possibility and that is the opposite of balancing. You limit their gameplay to 25% of what it was before now and they simply don't feel it is worth playing anymore under these circumstances.

Who cares if Sufokia or Brakmar or Bonta has the most items on sale. That is just false e-peen pride. And don't tell me to get money for challenges. There is no challenge worth pursuing as of now.

Let me tell you what this is: This is the attempt of a small elite to grab an even bigger portion of the pie as they already have and conceal it as an act of generosity towards the players. I cannot stop you obviously, but I at least can open peoples eyes.


This post has been edited by Shaleigh1 - April 27, 2012, 19:45:22.

I can see where you are coming from, but taking into account what this game is like, I can see it doing more harm then good.

Players don't like being locked out of things. You won't be able to fight certain monsters, won't be able to do certain quests. With this in place, a year from now I wouldn't be surprised if people have a level 100 character from each nation on their account, purely to get what they need to get.

Needless to say, if too many people get annoyed with this all, eventually this would lead to a change in government. I guess only time will tell.

Sufokia is full of white snow sand and it hurt's people's eyes like a flash when they arrive to sufokia. In similar manner people got problems to see anything in full black and dark places of brakmar. I can tell from my own experience i coudl hardly see any stalagmotes when i was in brakmar. The were there but they are black and background is black and i i've only seen soem yellow dots moving around (their eyes). I had to change screen settings to see them normally but then when i get back to sufokia i couldn't see anythign because my screen was so bright i had to close my eyes. It's the main thing why people avoid those nations. I could agree that white sand coudl be placed near water, near sea, but not all over the place. Ankama shoudl change look of sufokia maps. Give soem yellow or even orange sand! Don't get me wrong sufokia looks beautifull... at night! But it doesn't change the fact that this snow is just too bright. I mean sand.

Another thign is that sufokians materials are not needed for any profession lvling. It was like that since beta. Only recently Ankama added new receipes with some sufokian's materials but that still not enough. If there were receipes incuding snapper mats, without wich you will have hardest time lvling, let's say Tailor, then people who lvl tailor will come to sufokia.

another thing is that people don't know where to plant tree's. Terra dune seems so empty, like adesert - but that's because people keep cutting out tree's there, and newcomers don't see any spots for them like in other nations. They don't know that those cells with grass surounded by sand is a place for tree. In brakmar problem is similar. Black cell and black cell. One of them is for tree, guess wich one or hover your mouse over all cells and you will find out. It's hard to spot those cells in brkamar, really.

Those little things matter a lot. People don't want to spend their time in sufokia or brakmar. Sufokia was supposed to be a paradise, sea, palms, corals in water and beaches that makes you think about summer time. All fail because of those things that i have mentioned above. The only cool looking in sufokia is place with Sharks and kokoko's. Also those pink and white corals sprouting from water looks awsome. But sand is a big failure.

I was in Caustic cove. Place with starfishes and crabs of higher lvl. It looks the way sufokia should look. And weird thing is.... we can't plant palmito's in Terra dune! And it's the map between our 3 market places! I liked it more when palmitos where growing in special maps. Now you can plant few type of trees in any map in any nation. Palmitos and Citronana should grow in sufokia (and caustic cove) only - and those palmitos should be of some use in craft!!

We can't do much to fix the situations. Only ankama can change that but making sufokia more attractive, by making materials obtained in sufokia only more wanted.

What i can tell is that people are lazy. They go to the market in nation they are currently in. They won't bother going somewhere else. If they can choose where to zaap from neutral maps - they go to bonta because it's most populated nation. But if they are in amakna then they will use market there. There are not many people that waste their kamas for zaaps to other nation's market places just to see nothing is there. Maybe if there was some NPC called Market Spy, who would be located in every nation and would tell you if the item you are looking for is in other nation's market.... Maybe then we will see more people traveling to different nation's markets.

I also have to blame those op classes and easy-to-gain exp, wich made so many higher lvl players now - because of that we have empty low lvl maps. And to make things worse high lvl map in sufokia is far away from markets, unlike in bonta or amakna.

No war will change that. You can only give people a suggestion to travel to sufokia's market.

If all governors want to help sufokia and brakmar with their market issues, then they shoudl start using those markets themself, and tell people to do the same. Giving some pressure or making them not go to bonta because of war will only make people angry. They will obviously blame governors for the war - for being killed by some randoms in bonta market.

Take note people the NGG is NOT about helping out any nation ar destroying one. The NGG is all about communication between all the governors who then will try to discuss what the best ways are to entertain you guys. Ofcourse some people will feel offended while others will jump from joy, as it is impossible to give every single person what they want, we want to at least try to give most of them a fun experience.

Also I personally think you HAVE to be happy in some way. At least now your governors are talking to each other, planning ahead (i aggree that we also make mistakes) and post a report on what we discussed so you know what we are up to and why we do a specific action. At least be happy we are willing to work for you and not be like passive trolls just bragging about their rank and just do nothing for their nation.

As i said earlier we do think a good balance between nations will give the most user-experience. You have to know that if something has been made harder to reach for you something else will be made easier to ballance things. At least that is what we try to reach, at least support us for our hard work every day to just give some people more enjoyment. Dont get me wrong on this either we love what we do and will continu our work for the sake of giving as much fun as possible to as much players as possible.

About the case going into war with bonta, yes this will mean bonta will lose power and yes this will mean the other nations gain power. But this also means when for example Amakna gains more power then the other nations we will yet again try to balance out the game and go into war with Amakna. At this moment we see war as a good solution to all this, ofcourse we might be wrong and if we are we WILL adjust ourselves.

Gothox


This post has been edited by [MOD]O-Respeitador - April 28, 2012, 00:13:46.

This discussion went so far without my word in it, I feel ashamed.

After first hours of it working, I noticed that effect was what I expected - people use markets to gather rescources. Nations gained new source of income, what lets not only High-level trappers and warriors to earn money, but everyone able to sell local harvests from mobs, (things that are usually trashed and wasted in giant amounts!). I believe that now prices may be unstable, but hey, this is experiment, and with short time they should stabilize in natural way of competition on market.
Effect is impressive. Amakna made over 200 kamas only in 30 minutes. This also may be the way to heal poor Sufokia's trading situation, while meanwhile searching matts, people may take a look and drop something on sale once per time.

Few people got surprised by new laws, and turned Outlaw. Now announcing it loud, if they will know what is it and still get caught on it, this state and yellow neon above head finally will mean something more than "enemy-nation tourist". Guards? Or you can always sneak out!

About Sufokian resources - You have no idea how needed is the shark blood or koko drops and harvests. Never underestimate own nation potential!

Neutral state is what it is. And it's way to squeeze more from game politics than just war per weekend and alliance to have peace and free time, sometimes cut by some pests at field or random challenge. Possibilities, to improve and experience more. Do what every MMO promises - write a story, be part of adventure. Play social game and wave with it's changes.
Will it work? We'll see.

I'm glad that finally I can cooperate with other governors, at least for last evening on this seat ( ), and I hope that whoever follows my trail, will at least try this new way out. And, thanks to live communication between us, if this way won't result in what we expected, it's always possible to cancel it with one button.
However, I have feeling this thread need to be moved to politics. I will follow it.


This post has been edited by Jannet-fenix - April 28, 2012, 00:11:10.

Nicely put Jannet, you explained every single bit i failed to write down =D

I'm also happy to announce that Cloudi is willing to coorporate with us, a new meeting will come soon with all governors in it. Cloudi supporting us doesn't mean that Cloudi will let Bonta down, she will ofcourse do whatever she can to protect their lands and markets, we cannot expect more.

Lets all work together for a better game.

Gothox

Everything fine but its impossible for sufokians to do emote challange in amakna. Read the map = thats the emote (or soemthing similar). Knowing Ankama is planning changes to challanges i had hope to make this challange but i can't even start it as sufokian in amakna.

If its possible you could at least leave amakna-sufokia as allied nations untill 2nd may.