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Totem will be considered as an operating fault I'm a french player and this the translation of the french news :

"Hello,

After your many returns, I'm coming to you today to discuss of the use of Totem Sadida on World Boss.

Indeed, by using it in some way, Totem can kill prematurely some World Boss such as the Black Crow.

Because this was not really a bug, but more a balance problem, it was difficult for us to punish players reasonably who used (voluntarily or not) this technique.

Given the proportions that it is taking, I decided to communicate about this problem in order to officially declare it as "An flaw's Operation its misuse" (or "an operating fault by its use" don't know how to translate this sentence exactly).

This implies that from now and until 2 May, day when the problem will be solved, using the Totem Sadida against bosses in order to kill them easily will be punished with banishment.

I will also investigate about the groups of players who have previously used this technique to more than 2 times on World Boss. Beyond two attempts, I consider this use of the technique deliberately diverted, and thus an operating fault.

Use a bug or a lack of balance of the game in a roundabout way to obtain benefits has two names that I abhor: cheating and anti-game. These practices harm to the good competition between the players as well as the general atmosphere of the server, I will not tolerate and I will sanction severely.

In the future, I will ensure that such concerns be dealt with more upstream."

And what if someone doesn't visit forums? Or what if you wouldn't write this? Players will get punished without even knowing, what for?

Abusing in game mechanics, if there too lazy to check the forums for updates that's there fault  

Pretty much. Plus I'm sure when they get a ban they'd get a lovely email explaining exactly why.

French community doesn't understand this decision.

This is the link of the original message of the french community manager, Eskarina : Click here

Will start by saying that i dont have a sadida so am not sure...
But just for my own interest isnt this "exploit" using the spell as it was intended to be used ?
how can people be punished for using spells that they have been given to play the game with ? if it is a fault or bug that is as bad as it sounds then shouldnt it be fixed like today with a hotfix, i thought thats what they were for ??

I mean this sounds to me as silly as saying that a water enu cant get bags off bosses because its been programmed wrong and they will drop gems everytime.. Surely this isnt our fault for using a spell that we were given and are using as intended but falls on the programmers to fix the problem so we cant do it ?

I mean the duplication bug that existed in beta was a sanctionable offense.. it was exploiting a loophole in the game.. but using spells you have been given.. how can that be an exploit ?

As i said i dont have a sadida so may be wrong by the jist of this message but that was my understanding of it..

I didn't wanted to share the exploit but i wanted to share the decision took by the team of development.

Totem exist since a long time and players who have invested in this skill are now punished because of the game's mechanics. French players are angry because they don't want to be banned because of a game design's problem related to the conception of one World Boss.

Now, French community is censored on this topic.

I totally agree with Derf123.


This post has been edited by NasmRa - April 24, 2012, 12:17:53.

I don't think that it's fair.... I mean, if we 're talking about bugs that are clearly bugs, like the feca 's infinite ap/mp or the item moltiplication, it's ok to punish the exploiters but in this case this isn't a bug but a feature of the game, it's imba and abusable but you should punish even leechers and all the cra user this way ...

If something not bugged can be exploited the fault is not of the exploiters but of the devs..

We were training sadida specially to kill Black Crow as first in Remington, we were stuck there, training tactics for days, hours of discussion and peeking at other, failed trials. I don't think using totem may be anytime worse than popping out fire Xelor eating half of Crow HP in one hit. Common Sadida doesn't have a lot to do, when put face to face with mob like Crow, beyond range of many classes, but I believe Ankama doesn't want any of characters to feel useless in fight, that's so tough, that close to legend. When your team size is limited, you can or choose among elite of your contacts, choosing those with highest damage dealt - but it slowly makes teams repeating to deadly boredom, just cra-feca-xelor combo over and over again.. you can also take your friends and indeed think of best sides of each other.

Cool, can't wait for all the air cras spamming storm arrow and beacon sneaking to be banned as well. You know, considering how storm arrow and beacon sneaking are "not really a bug, but more a balance problem" and are used to "kill prematurely some World Boss such as the Black Crow" and this is used "in a roundabout way to obtain benefits".

This is completely unjustified.

Totem can target enemies. Black Crow is an enemy.

There is no glitch or bug or exploit happening here. Should Sadidas who totem enemies on the other side of water be banned as well?

I do not see how Ankama can ban any English player for doing this.

" 5.7 You agree not to use loopholes, bugs or any other error to obtain unfair advantages in-game. Similarly, you agree to immediately notify the Company's Support when you notice a fault or error in the game, forum or any other service."

"Voodoll Class: Sadida
Unlock level: 4
Type: Summon


4(2) 1
2-2(4)+
AoE:Single cell "The Sadida invokes a totem and links it to a target. Any damage or heal cast on the totem will be sent to the target. The totem can be broken by pushback damage."Restrictions:

• Requires Line of Sight
• Vertical or Horizontal only
• Spare Leadership

Effects:

• Summon a Totem
  • Damage: +0%(+20%)

"

Simple answer, equip the boss with pushback damage...The spell is working as intended and does not mention bosses.I do not see what the issue is, same as the Cra being able to vaporize a group of high level mobs in one hit.


This post has been edited by Rattexx - April 24, 2012, 14:30:48.

Ah, so this found its way here too.

Ankama, Ankama you make me laugh so hard sometimes. You are too lazy to fix a bug or exploit right away so you make it punishable. This is a new peak (and you really seem to set them pretty often) of hilarity.

Not arbitrary at all either. Nono. People who dropped tons of gear from the Cro by loosing against it never got their gear taken from them because it was too much work for you. When someone besides the 1 or 2 groups that always spawn camp the world boss anyway should get lucky enough to fight this creature however and unknowingly use a totem he will get his account banned now or what?

In the french thread a friend of mine posted a fire Xelor in action against the world boss. That is killing it prematurely, not the totem.


To sum it up: "We are too stupid, so you have to suffer. But we make it a totally abitrary suffering." What about infinite AP from Feca glyphs for example? There is this guy with full ini specc'ed Feca and fire Cra running around taking out any group in PvP in turn one and grinding dungeons in no time (he has 6 accounts) so he can sell tons of rare loot. That is totally okay of course.

P.S.: World bosses are horrible game design btw even when the spawning times become random.

I'd consider multi clienting a way of cheating and, ironically, they do not say a word about that. I myself multi client only because I feel forced to, since most who I know play more than 2 accounts. This should be taken into consideration, there are some guys around that play six accounts and can literally rule the game with their pvp army, the sandbox game is extremely flawed now when it comes to fair gameplay.



Anyways, I have no idea what totem bug is this since I have never had the chance to kill one of the World Bosses because people just camp it and kill whoever approaches too close. The good side of this is that those who exploited the game mechanics and respawning time are mostly like to be sanctioned.

I am just clueless what they are going to say about those who are exploiting the combination of MP/AP Feca Glyphs, that can give infinite AP.

Me and my guild have been camping the world boss. And I'm sure there are NO case of killing to get the boss. There is only ONE time, that we and Lion Heart fight each other for the boss. Only that ONE time, and I just keep hearing this bullshit about aggroing people near the boss. What's up with the people making up stories ?  

I had seen the French topic before seeing this, and I wholeheartedly agree.

How are any abusing a bug? Which bug? The intended effect works as advertised, so... How are we supposed to know it's a bug?

A lot of things can be considered bugs or exploits. I don't believe that is the case with totems. I have always considered it an additional "umf" to the Sadida's support abilities. Right now, the only class capable of pulling off effective healing is a Eniripsa, making it pretty good in a group. Allowing a Sadida to use the totem to enhance damage on the bosses, even in phases were it isn't normally possible, gives them an amazing group tool against said bosses.

Why Ankama? Doesn't this utility also help Iops?

I laughed, so much.

okay I know you like constructive comments, so I will not simply say 'lol', 'zomg...', 'what the %&^', let me give you an analysis.

players should expect sanction when exploiting the game? okay, assume I bought a toaster and I found out it can print out cash, are you suggesting that I should be punished for printing out tons of cash and hurt the world economy? or should I be punished for buying a TV which somehow can extract TV signal from thin air, thus allowing me to avoid paying a TV license? I mean, do you see the analogy here?

I know it's in the T&C and which I will conform to until my subscription ends, but damn will you grow up and take responsibility for your own mistakes Ankama. your product is not functioning the way you want it to, if you want us, your paying customer, to be patient while you fix it, threatening is not the way to go. I for one have never even seen the Black Crow, people like me are victims of your 'operating faults'. and now we're expected to take this kind of attitude from the company? if you really want to punish the people who exploits the game, investigate and take action discretely. or hire a PR person and ask them how to handle situations without appearing to be irresponsible.

I guess I will start reading the small print before signing on, other games may or may not have similar terms & condition but it has NEVER ever happened to me in my 14 years of being a gamer, that the developer actually points fingers at (even banish? are you in your right mind?) consumers for playing the game by ways that were simply possible.

seriously dissappointed.


This post has been edited by Siuling - April 25, 2012, 04:06:41.

ankama is f*cking retarded thats why, i hate the day I paid for this game,, I liked everything better in beta, things were better balanced. At least there were no cra's benefiting from every bug or beacon sneaking, but they never get punished because that's ok by you ankama, right??!!

I am really disappointed in you ankama, I have a really huge list of disappointments in you but I am not even going to write it because I am tired to mentioning every unfair thing in this game and believe me, there are a LOT!! I used to love this game, I paid for this game but after my subscription is over I will never pay again because now, I hate this game.

I agree with those who intelligently expressed their disgust towards this flawed ' Ankamanian" logic.

I for one have a Sadida, which is not one of the strongest classes in the game, but fun to play. Banishing sadida users for defeating the Black Crow using Totem/voodoll because it is a means of exploiting an in-game bug - or whatever - while any cra can walse right into any mob or dungeon and solo it is somehow not exploitative of an in-game flaw..?

Even the cra player should not be banished, because the flaw is in the design, and the ones who should be " banished" are the game developers who obviously are too lazy or simply too derp to fix things quickly, efficiently and properly.

Indeed, why not then banish those who have truly exploited a bug, who were walking around in the black crow set soon after it was available as a drop? Can't you find out who they are? I know who they are, want names? Well, this is not nazi-germany, I'm not telling.

Ankama, go enjoy the money you got from me and especially from those who are multi-accounting (you do nothing about that because it pays your lazy employees), because the money will run out if you keep going the way you are.

Fix your shit, because right now you got a game full of crap and you want to punish players for it. Grow up. And I for one am sorry I paid for 6 months for a game which was better balanced during beta.

You won't find me subscribing after that, unless you fix your game, fix your attitude. And I know I do not stand alone in this.