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Thats like saying that people without are stupid and must depend on the elite members of society to guide them. Well guess what, the leading milionares of our age never finished University, by this logic you shouldn't join facebook or even be using this very computer..

If I didn't care about sociology why bother making a discussion, why not preach "All brs are bad, lets put them in their own server~"

Your guess doesn't even make sense. So free time = idleness and idleness online = inconsideration towards others? or what are you trying to say? it doesnt explain why they act the way they do while other social communities dont as much.

Your right, it does pass through with puberty but there are also plenty of players especially on MMOs with an older audience that still act like the "bad br players".

1. Stop reading books Autovalor and start using your own brain to figure things out.
2. People are stupid and they need elite members of society to guide them.
3. Kurochikun is right - University has nothing to do with success.
4. Anyone who wants to succeed in life shouldn't have more than 2 hours a day of free time.
5. Nobody should join Facebook.


Formal education will make you a living; self-education will make you a fortune.


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1. BS. Keep reading books and use your own brain to figure things out.
2. Todays political elite of the western world increasingly isn't particularly intelligent, educated or fit to lead people, they are just after money and power. However, they like to keep the populace stupid so they encourage anti-intellectualism (home education is more than enough for everyone hurr).
3. Is this a result of self-taught statistics? Lulz! BS.
4. Probably true.
5. Signed.




Herp derp.

So, as I write I see the very same forum rules I called upon to report this thread and what does a mod do? Remove a few posts including mine saying that my post had no purpose or something.

THIS VERY THREAD HAS NO PURPOSE. Delete it or don't ever bother having a brazilian server like you did with dofus.

Bonta = Brazilians
Amakna = Russians
Sufokia = Nobody plays there, only goverment.
Brakmar = Idk, atleast there were fair people in PvP.



And Brazilians should get their own server, just saying.

 

There is no hidden agenda to this thread, I just wanted to see different players views and opinions as to why the behaviour is developed

I find it strange if its due to education. I have many brazilian friends with university education who still act badly online. So i figure it must have other roots.

Please don't feel that I wish to shun all brazilians to their own server you are indeed welcome in remmington

PS: No, I really do speak portuguese and other 4 languages without the use of a translator. I lived in several countries and my job promotes communication in other languages.


This post has been edited by Kurochikun - April 16, 2012, 15:54:21.

I've seen a lot of BR players in the game and so far I've failed to find any reason to have a problem with them. I'm English and back in beta I used to play with a guild of Italian speakers. They were nice guys but trying to coordinate anything was a pain in the butt and frequently I would be left out because it was easier for them to talk in Italian so that's what they did.

The whole 'BR? *walks off*' thing I can completely understand because of this. If you're fluent in one language you want to play with other players that speak that language. Having 5 portugese speakers and 1 english speaker in a party means either you've got 5 people speaking a language they don't want to, or 1 person unable to understand what's going on.

In regards to the bad attitude of players.. is this something that is exclusive to brazilians? I don't think so. Maybe I'm meeting the wrong people all the time, but propotion of awful players that are brazilian is no more or less than the proportion of awful players that are English, Polish etc. I think the problem is that because the language barrier stops you seeing the nice people, you only end up seeing the nasty ones that aggro you or w/e.

When it comes down to it, Remington is the 'International' server. It is not the 'English' server as so many people seem to have decided. Yes, the game client is in English. No, that doesn't make it an English server. Correct me if I'm mistaken but nowhere in the TOS does it say this is an english server and all players should speak in English.

Some people have suggested BR get their own server but Remington is already dead as it is. The LAST thing this game needs is even more ways to split up the community. There isn't enough players in brazil, Europe (most of it at least), Australia etc COMBINED to populate one server. There certainly is not enough players to populate a new server and justify the extra running costs by Ankama. Looking at the average amount of players in game I'm fairly confident that Wakfu right now is losing money, and I don't see this as a solution at all.


This post has been edited by kraed - April 16, 2012, 18:35:32.

There is completely nothing wrong in speaking own language - if you speak to someone who understands you. People keep noting me whenever I use Polish in open chat, but I don't throw words for fun, but to second person that's standing next to me [usually]. Sometimes it happens that random Pole I never met before responds, because of joy of meeting homeland sister and brings nice feelings about it. I try to avoid it while it keeps people around me confused (or call me draconic user, yay for you, Hema).

However, I can't get people that walk into game that's in english, without being able to understand simpliest words? If you meet person able to throw only two things at you, and those things are "kkkk" and "noob", it's clear you're not going to keep friendly contact with that person. Especially, if lack of communication disables you to tell that he's actually ruining your work [what happens a lot].
That's not racism - but gives a basement under treating brasilian community as one, exactly seen as in comic, what does feel like one. And so two worlds exist, one brasilian, one "international", unable to cooperate.
I don't want to make people step away from them, while many can be really valuable people and great company - experienced both this and that less friendly case. I can't ignore them as giant part of every nation, without which cities would go empty and mobareas - even more.

as Brazilian player I am ashamed, play several games online where Brazilians are the villains. unfortunately it is a social and cultural, and also a lot of immaturity, most players are in the age between 11 and 15 years of age. in my characters always put the surname of "Brasil", (not BR or any other variation) because I am proud to lived here. There are bad players in every nation, but Brazilians are more numerous, their poor education longer appears.
As already said this, I can only regret.
I try to lead by example by being polite and respecting the rules, is the least I can do.
about doing a Brazilian server, good idea, but still does not solve the problem, only isolates.


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como jogador brasileiro eu me envergonho, jogo varios jogos online onde os brasileiros são os viloes. infelizmente isso é uma questão social e cultural, e tambem muita imaturidade, a maioria dos jogadores estão na faixa de idade entre 11 e 15 anos de idade. em meus personagens sempre coloco o sobrenome de "Brasil", (não BR ou qualquer outra variação) pois me orgulho em morara aqui. existem mau jogadores em qualquer nação, mas por brasileiros serem mais numerosos, sua má educação aparece mais.como ja disseram isso, só tenho a lamentar.procuro dar o exemplo, sendo educado e respeitando as regras, é o minimo que eu posso fazer.quanto a fazer um servidor brasileiro, boa ideia, mas ainda assim não resolve o problema, só o isola.


This post has been edited by Gasparoff - April 16, 2012, 19:22:09.

Online Dis-inhibition Effect

^ That.

I lack the time to answer those that answered my post directly right now.

I'd just like to say something i noticed about some brasilians posts in this thread:
When you say "poor education" or "lack of education" what it sounds in english is that the person did not study for very long.
I think this might be a problem of literal translation. One of the possible and more accurate ways of translating "falta de educação" to english is lack of politeness, or simply rudeness. And I'm pretty sure that was what you guys actually meant.

I think that it's all because people can change language of the game and they find it normal to talk in the same language as NPC characters or the same language as item descriptions are. This is why "br people" are talking in their own language. Ask yourself: what language you will speak if you will play in german server where all items, quests,etc are in german language? I doubt you will be speaking english unless you will find some friends who speak english too - but then you wouldn't talk in english in general obviously, because that would be weird. You could as well try speaking french in Japan - same result. So all you can blame is the game language changing. Text of players is not translated by the game. Remember that. In the server named as english speaking with an option to change language of items to your own language.... it just makes you forget that you are in english speaking server and you start talking your native language. So you can only blame Ankama for that. English is not my native language but i do speak english in Remington server. This is because i respect players who goes to this server because they want to communicate in english. Still if there was an option to change language to my own, then i might forget about the server language in the longer run. It just comes natural. We are only people, we do mistakes. Still i expect people to talk in english if this server is english and if i were br then i would not speak in br in Remington. Ask for br server, but don't give new players the image of br-speaking server if it's clearly english-speaking one. I was playing other MMO's and people who were not speaking english were muted, and if it happened repeatadly - banned. In other MMO's you were going to jail for few hour's.
And it's not about BR player or any other one. Idiot's are everywhere, and internet is available for them too. Do not judge people from one country only because few of them are ignorants.

I've met several BR players and most of them were nice, they don't speak fluent English or no English at all, but since I'm spanish we managed to understand each other.

Problem is when you meet a bad player, nobody likes to be insulted, so when you get insulted, you will remember the one who insulted you instead of the one who said thanks. I've seen many BR players asking non-BR players for something in portuguese and when they say they don't understand, they start insulting them in portuguese or an attempt to do it in english, but I have also seen BR players trying their best to write in English and become part of the community even with the language barrier. And I can say the same about spaniards and people from other countries, problem is there are a huge number or BR players in Remington while there are other country servers. A way to solve this problem would be making a BR server, but the population in Remington will decrease and eventually all servers will lack on population :S

Hi, everyone.
Yes, Fakae, i meant lack of politeness as lack of education isn't equivalent to rudeness, at least in Brazil. Sorry for my bad English. I just read, i can't write well.
Kikuihimonji, i had not thought that way. Thank you!
" I fully agree, Dabumon.
Anyway, hope things are resolved so that so no more further distance.
P.S. a brazilian player! 

That is true! however with the BR players, more so than polish or italian and what not. Even if its a party of 4 English speakers and 2 BR they will go on to having a conversation in Portuguese rather than attempt to speak in English and its not like its a simple question, its whole conversations about their personal lives that could be spoken in english or private chat.

but I know the feeling very well. There are two girls I work with from Bulgaria and they have an English university degree (so its not like they dont speak english) but whenever I join a conversation with them, they still talk and comment on the conversation to each other in Bulgarian and speak to me in English. So I obviously end up missing 40% of the conversation. It really annoys me and its a lack of manners at least in real life since they obviously speak english.

Of course its not the same on an MMO and not everyone speaks english but at least abide by simple rules of society would be nice, and I cannot understand why that isnt so.




Yeah that is true, but the game isnt released in portuguese. So by that logic they should all be speaking in spanish or french and this happens in other games that dont have a translation patch.


This post has been edited by Kurochikun - April 18, 2012, 10:20:05.