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The "BR player" discussion B

No offence to any good BR players of course.
There is the Brazilian player
and there is the BR huehuehuehue player, they aren't the same.
The "BR player" is the name of a Brazilian player that does not conform to the social standards of an MMO society.

This isn't meant to be racist.

I'm sure every player at one point or another was approached by another player and questioned "BR?" or abused by an honourless player whilst he laughed "huehuehuehue". A player that refuses to even try to speak in english and often sticks to guilds of their own country. Lacking any regard to norms such as speaking in English in trade and vicinity chat.

I would simply like to discuss why the "BR player" acts the way they do which seems to be completely different from other nations.

Sure there are many that join "This Country Only"- Guilds which I can understand if you want to do so but whenever they are not talking in the guild they will attempt to speak in English even if its very poor. They will conform to the norms of "No KS" "No trolling" "no Unfair PKs"commonly found on an mmo however a BR player will without supervision or fear of punishment will abuse his power, he will step on anyone in their way. (I've had BR Sacriers in the party that swapped my Xelor with him, destroying my dial and placing me completely surrounded by all 4 sides. Of course I died and I didn't even get a sorry. I'm sorry no matter how unaccustomed you are to english everyone knows "Sorry" "Hi" and "Thank you".)

They still however will go up to you and say "BR? huehuehue *walks away when you reply in english*" Is it so hard to say. "Hello, U br? No? I sorry, exuse me I no english."

It isn't just in MMOs either. if you play online 90% of players that are named "InsertnamehereBR_93"
will often use the cheapest tactics in the game to win and if they lose they will send you a hypocritical messege like "Spammer noob, f*ck ur sister huehuehue" (Yeah for that they know english [The InsertnamehereFR_81 is also not going far from that either lately, but that issue doesn't apply to most MMOs however.]).

but yeah what I wanna know is; what leads the "Br player" to have this mentality online? because unfortunantly they are the majority and I do not believe that most Brazilians are like that in real life.

EDIT: The point of the topic is to discuss the reasons of why the infamous BR players do not conform to MMO's society whilst comparing and contrasting it with other socilogical structures and critically analysing the factors of socialisation in real life Brazil that could lead to anti-social behaviour.

DOUBLE EDIT: More simply, why do you guys think some BR players don't like to join in and try to be more global like most? what is it taught to them in real life that leads them to band toguether and ignore everyone else?

and for your indulgence only since I can speak 5 languages which one of them happens to be portuguese: "Porque voces acham que certos jogadores Brazileiros nao tentao ser mais globais como a maioria? O que lhes é ensinado que os faz preferir participar somente com outros Brazileiros e ignorar todos os outros?."

Discuss.


This post has been edited by Kurochikun - April 16, 2012, 06:53:24.

I dont uderstand ^^ = WTF?!

All Br players burn down their own home towns in real life.

Of course.

I am brazilian and I payed for a proxy with an american ID because of that problem you are describing.

Unfortunatly, I avoid every single game that has many brasilians. It is a cultural problem arising here in brazil in the past decade or so: if there is no real punishment (virtual punishment is no real punishment), u take advantage of whatever u can and screw everyone else.

Also, I'm affraid our kids (the ones in my family included) are not used to saying "please" or "thanks" or "sorry" anymore, especially among themselves. They do use those words ocasionally when in the presence of older people though.

So, trying to answer your question: the BR players do act like that in real life towards anyone they don't care. And in a game, they couldnt care less about non portuguese speaking people. Sometimes I wonder if they even remember that those chars represent a person behind a monitor somewhere in the world!

I am trully ashamed of that image you so precisely drawed in that comic (very nice comic btw).
In the name of the minority of BRs that care about other players, I'm sorry, man.

Thank you all for keeping the myth alive and utterly failing at a proper research or answer. Let me even give my 2 cents on the myth.

You see, here in Brazil the marjority of the gaming community is composed basically of teenagers while what I have gathered from playing in international servers is that the marjority of the european/american players are adults or young adults. So, is it a cultural difference or is it a maturity difference?

I'll keep the small details involved like time spent in school and wathever lead me to such conclusion away from this thread if so only because I'm reporting this and hope this is erased fast and swiftly.

I'd have to disagree with you and lean towards Faeke's reply (Epic Reply was Epic).

Maturity has nothing to do with it. You are right in my guild the avarage age is of 21 however I have played other MMOs where the majority was 14-16, I could even organise all the MMOs I played by the avarage age but the result would still be the same, BR players would still act in inconsiderate ways. More than any other players.

I don't know how many MMOs you played but this is often the general consensus. It is no myth.

Your attempts of reporting this is both illogical and a disgusting attempt to stop freethinking I.E. censorship. If you are insulted by an educated discussion on sociology, close and move on as we aren't being racist or ranting incorrect facts. Is it a touchy subject? Yeah but it isn't a wrong one to discuss.


This post has been edited by Kurochikun - April 16, 2012, 03:34:33.

Yeah blablabla...Ankama please give us our own server ^^

and the point of this topic is ?

I thought I made it clear. Ill tell it bluntly.

To discuss the reasons of why the infamous BR players do not conform to MMO's society whilst comparing and contrasting it with other socilogical structures and critically analysing the factors of socialisation in real life Brazil that could lead to anti-social behaviour online.


This post has been edited by Kurochikun - April 16, 2012, 04:11:54.

I find this racist, im a "good player" and im Brazilian, now i ask you, what is wrong with "ehuehehehe" ( i don´t laugh like that, i use "kkkkk" ), americans go "ahahahahahahahahahahahah" and mexicans go "jajajajajajaja", other people will go "asdadasdasdasdasassasaa"

Now there is a universale way to laugh ?

I have come tons and tons of international "Noobs" in all of MMOs i played, i never go to foruns and say word about them and such discriminating way...

How can you blame a whole nation for less then 5% of players ? Tell me how can there, lets assume, less then 10% of server players are Brazilians and we alone are the only "server noobs that will cheat and burn down everyting", its just that in MMOs like Tibia, Brazilians players started becoming more then the international players and so everything from BR was more likely to get noticed and then suddenly, we are all being hated on MMOs.

I don´´t like to see xxx_BR" in names and stuff like "br ? br ?" but hell i almost go berserk when i talk in portuguese and someone just pms me "stuped brazilian, can´t talk english ?"

- Hey mate, i spent 6 years of my life in the USA, and i can assure you i never been mistreated in there like i have been in MMOs just for talking my own language.

Sorry for any wrong words, doing to much stuff to check it all...

*Removed* 


This post has been edited by [MOD]Dalikaeor - April 16, 2012, 07:08:43.

Where do you live ? In middle of a favela in Rio ? Because where i come from, this is not true, how you, a Brazilian like me can say so much wrong stuff about your own country, i mean, dam, there is awful kids everywhere, in the US shooting their on friends in school, beating up another kid because he is black, there is kids bullying others in China and you say as if Brazilians are the worlds problem....

Sintoma de vira lata ? - Its a meaning in portugues towards brazilians that see their own nation as just some big load of nothing usefull...


This post has been edited by marechal-ze - April 16, 2012, 04:39:17.

And you hope for what kind of people to reply your topic? others english speakers or the BRs minority?
Because i couldn't understand the mostly what you said...
If you expect respect. Think in another way, they are BRs playing one children's game, do you really expect respect? without trying to teach to them something? everything i know in mmos i learned when i was playing global games, and alot of people learned with me many things in português...
So, try teach them something and learn other things, we aren't from different worlds, only a different culture.
(Btw i loved your comic ^^)
And it is a racism.


Example of life ^^
He said everything.
Hope now, all your questions are resolved.


This post has been edited by ledes1020 - April 16, 2012, 04:41:59.

The laugh is not the issue its just a trait often associated with such players and was depicted in the comic for satarical reasons (not made by me) and it's not about the language either, its about the disregard for other players and unwillingness to communicate found on BR players.

You come and call me a biggot but all I see is Brazilian player (a good one) getting touchy over a taboo subject rather than give arguements and make a point. If I had been prejudice about BR players I would have said "All BR players are like that". But i havent i specifically made it clear that I'm talking about a sub-culture of Brazilian society.

On a further note saying that BRs get noticed more than other players is not reasonable although a good point. There are tons of bad players all over indeed but the bad BR players are consistant in most MMOs and its not because they are exotic that they get noticed more than english players. Its because they make themselves standout more than others because most will not attempt to blend with society and that's what the discussion is about.

I have close contact to Brazilians in real life who are the "BR players" and I cannot understand why they turn so inconsiderate whenever they go into an online game.

Instead of calling it "uneducated guesses" make a proper arguement, with a point, autovalor, because all you seem to do is be whining.



You make a valid point. I'm sorry ill try to make it clearer so that perhaps everyone can give a view.

Proper argument will be, sociology is not based on the few contacts you have made in your life, its a proper study and people go to college to study it.

That is my argument for you being undeducated in these matters, prejudice just comes from how you interpret the sparse data you have accumulated.

What a conformist arguement. "You must be white coated scientist to make a study of it~" for your information not only I did go to university I also had sociology in it and I can tell you that the sample is not only likely bigger than most psychological studies it is also taken from the impressin given to other players.

So the only reason you accuse me of prejudice is because you assume that I have a sparse sample? geez.

or is it because you don't want to be reminded of the prejudice that most players actually think when they think of brazilian players?

and isnt that a bit hypocritical of you... no offence of course. After all you based your conclusion on the experiences you had when you were younger and the assumption that most players from Brazil are young. You also have sparse data and made "uneducated guesses" at this point then.

If its just a "sub-culture" why bother with it ?

We can open lots of threads here about American spoiled kids being dumb and rude in MMOs, about Chinese gold farmers runing the games and other stuff like that, its "sub", its just a few % of the real players, we should just ignore, every pokemon evolves ( not pikachu, hes Over Power like cras ) and soon they will stop being does dumb kids and turn into good players, hell, in my guild, there is 150 Brazilian players, the average age is 22 last time we did a poll, still we have does 14 year old players and i can assure you that they play better and more respectfull then some 20 year olds, and i assure you in my guild there is a ristrict guidness about all that "br ? br ?" and stuff like that.

Its just some people doing bad and stuped stuff and the rest just gets all the blame...

There are things that change one's view of society, studying sociology is one of them. You are clearly one of those "I don't give a damn about what academy says" thugs that think anything can be scientific.

Guess what, its clear you don't know nor give a damn about sociology, you just want people to agree with your ill thought that there's some sort of subculture of digital hooligans breeding in Brazil. This kind of talking might be proper with your buddies at a bar table, but guess what? Its pure ignorant prejudice.

Btw, my uneducated guesses, come from knowing that our teenagers have far more free time than regular american/european teenagers, that time is converted into gaming time.

On age behavior, what studies do you want to read on? Psychoanalisis, neurociences, Winnicot? All of them can point you that there is a difference in human behavior while passing through puberty.

You are right, I could make threads about it, infact I have in the past made about the Gold Farmers, please dont think the topic means that bad BR players are the biggest nuisense in the game. It maybe a sub-culture of the population but it still does make up a hefty portion of in-game population. Just like the Spoiled kids and the trolls and so on. im glad to see most of your guild is respectable but I have met several older players "in their 30s" that still behave like the "br br" why do you think that is?

You are completely right, its just a smaller group doing bad things that gives the whole community a bad reputation! The same thing happens with KSA players.

but why do they behave in such a manner? what leads these bad players to consistantly act the same way? What factors in brazilian society promote this sort of behaviour.

Dont take my question the wrong way, the same can be asked about American Ghettos and so on.

This is sad because it's true.

I'm from Europe and this is actually the first game I'm playing in the Europe server because most europeans only speak in their own language and everything is confusing this way. I wish i joined the NA version of Wakfu.

I remember I played Supreme Destiny (WYD 2) many years ago and one of the things I remember from that game was that half of the players were named [name]BR and I never understood what they were going on about.

I wouldn't say BR players are any worse than NA though, but at least I understand what they are saying.


This post has been edited by NerdFiction - April 16, 2012, 05:39:55.