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posté February 29, 2012, 19:06:54 | #21
I spent 330$ on another game just purely for the cosmetics, it was unfortunate it too went down the Pay to Win aisle; but cosmetics were a highlight and people bought them in that game. No one complained since the cash shop was there but it never sold anything over powered.

If it were cosmetics only i could live with that too, all sorts of cosmetics, it's just these darned 'grow weapons' that're wonky as hell. It adds the pay to win to it.

And sure as heck it seems more and more people don't like this either. I'm going to make a bet with myself that Ankama wont do anything about it though.


posté February 29, 2012, 19:32:04 | #22
Knew it, this is what ruin games... and WHAT THE HELL?! P2P and P2W? Make up your mind ankama, you're making fun of yourself!


posté February 29, 2012, 19:44:07 | #23
one only scream one only alarm ankama burning ankama burning
one only scream gives us faith ankama in flames ankama in flames


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1 solo grido ci da fiducia ankama brucia ankama brucia

ankama puttana l'hai fatto per la grana!
ankama bitch you did it for the chips!


This post has been edited by ReilaTheHorror - February 29, 2012, 19:53:06.
posté February 29, 2012, 20:37:13 | #24
I really feel bad when they add these equipment in the cash shop, even if it cost 1 $, power is still power. I wouldn't mind throwing my cash into that fancy haven bag or the stupid-looking desk (even at double price) but adding these thing will make wakfu pay-to-win no matter how you looking at it. Now, beside worry about ingame balance and more class or new content, they have to worry about "Boutique" too (not mention the raging crowd ).


posté February 29, 2012, 20:39:51 | #25
Lol lol lol

Really? I was expecting to quit the game as I found out ogrines can be used inside the game, but I don't even need to know that anymore. This is even worse than I though.

Ankama is just so f**ing retarded its even unpredictable. I wasn't expecting this, but it is simply stupid. Very stupid. Though I guess that just fits Ankama very well.

I really don't want anything to do with this game anymore, it can burn in hell along with Ankama for all I care.


This post has been edited by Yechnagoth - February 29, 2012, 21:12:36.
posté February 29, 2012, 20:46:36 | #26
Playing for a while now... made one friend, tought I was doing great, discovering as a F2P the interest in this game, it almost worked...

But this, this blowed it away.


posté February 29, 2012, 20:53:47 | #27
That's just sad Ankama, Sad.


posté February 29, 2012, 21:07:28 | #28
Isnt Wakfu a player base game all along?

We control the market, eco and work for things we needs, isnt that been going well all these years?

Whats makes Ankama changed?

If items onsale are just cosmetic fashion, its fine, as we cant craft items just for Looks.

Gears that enchanced player stats onsale totally ruined wakfu unique player base playstyle.

I hope, Ankama would consider remove the stats gear from Boutique.


posté February 29, 2012, 21:19:34 | #29
Good items. Especially ring but it will be very hard 2 lvl it to 100.


This post has been edited by arr1val - February 29, 2012, 21:20:13.
posté February 29, 2012, 22:12:26 | #30
Every time I check this thread there are more and more comments missing.


posté February 29, 2012, 22:16:43 | #31
Ppls cry without reason. Need few monthes 2 lvl up those items to 100 lvl. And nobody knows about new high lvl items, wich could be stronger.


posté February 29, 2012, 22:22:28 | #32

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Ppls cry without reason. Need few monthes 2 lvl up those items to 100 lvl. And nobody knows about new high lvl items, wich could be stronger.
Nobody is crying without a reason. It does not matter how much it costs or how much unbalance there is, its a fact that this causes unbalance and that's what matters.

If you will get +10 HP boost instead of +50, that just means its not as bad, not that it isn't bad.


This post has been edited by Yechnagoth - February 29, 2012, 22:42:59.
posté February 29, 2012, 22:26:35 | #33

Quote (arr1val @ 29 February 2012 22:16) *
Ppls cry without reason. Need few monthes 2 lvl up those items to 100 lvl. And nobody knows about new high lvl items, wich could be stronger.

You just don't get it, do you? This is false advertising. They lured people into paying for a game with the promise to make the cashshop NOT p2w. They broke that promise and that is not only morally despicable, but also legally questionable.


posté February 29, 2012, 22:28:17 | #34
So first a cash shop is announced.

"but don't worry, it'll only have cosmetics!"

Then the cash shop is released.

"but don't worry, it'll only have cosmetics and items that affect gameplay that may or may not be better than weapons of the same level!"

Not really looking forward to the rest of the game if this is going to be the direction that Ankama is taking. I don't care if you need to level these weapons up to level 100, the point is they are selling power. Only way this would be excusable is if you were able to find these items in game (the game-changing ones, obviously), which I seriously, seriously doubt you can.


posté February 29, 2012, 22:30:38 | #35

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Only way this would be excusable is if you were able to find these items in game (the game-changing ones, obviously), which I seriously, seriously doubt you can
It is not excusable in any way. Its still selling power, its still making you have it in a unfair way compared to the game. You can also have other items with similar stats in the game, perhaps even better ones that do not need leveling, but that does not make the cash shop ones excusable.


This post has been edited by Yechnagoth - February 29, 2012, 22:31:45.
posté February 29, 2012, 22:52:17 | #36
No no no no no. I never expected this to happen
You people who despite the negative comments try to see the good side of the boutique, you simply do not understand. Its good to have a positive attitude but this time Ankama set us up for real.

It doesn't matter whether the items are cheap or expensive or how long it take to lvl them up (seriously, two months count for a long time?), what matters is they allow people to get powerful items for real money. This doesn't simply mean that some will be able to get stronger by paying, it means the game will become harder for those who don't buy from the boutique. Drop rates will decrease, strong equipment will be harder to find and monsters will become tougher to kill. And all this will happen just to make you click that boutique button and buy something, to be able to play normally. It will not happen tomorrow but it is bound to happen throughout a year or two.

I'm not being crazy when I say this. I could point several other mmorpgs with a boutique as examples. I have seen things as a basic mount being sold for 10 euro while advanced ones go for 20 or even 30. Do you trust ankama will keep the prices at 1euro for a sword? I am willing to trust them but when they lie to our faces about "cosmetic" items its hard to do.

Ankama please remove that boutique and allow us to experience the full game with the regular monthly subscription as we have been doing for all these years. Its really sad to see you changing policies like that when the reason we came here was a free mmorpg that we could experience fully just with a not really expensive monthly subscription.

PS Want a prediction? The next boutique item will be called "dragoturkey".


This post has been edited by gnups - February 29, 2012, 23:53:59.
posté February 29, 2012, 23:26:23 | #37
Okay, you can think I'm being overly optimistic, or even just naive here, but hear me out. Ankama has already demonstrated severe clumsiness and a brute-force approach in testing things. What we're seeing just may be a clumsy attempt at "testing the waters" for how we, the players, feel about such things in the item store.
If that is so, then they will be monitoring all feedback channels for your thoughts on the matter, and keep a close eye on which items they sell and what percentage of those will be non-cosmetic equipment for an undetermined period of time.
Therefore, I strongly advise you to not buy any of those five items, but instead spend your Ogrines on cosmetics only if you feel like buying something. Also, share your thoughts in this thread. It doesn't have to be a full essay on the matter, heck, for this, just a simple "+1" will do.


posté February 29, 2012, 23:35:23 | #38

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Okay, you can think I'm being overly optimistic, or even just naive here, but hear me out. Ankama has already demonstrated severe clumsiness and a brute-force approach in testing things. What we're seeing just may be a clumsy attempt at "testing the waters" for how we, the players, feel about such things in the item store.
If that is so, then they will be monitoring all feedback channels for your thoughts on the matter, and keep a close eye on which items they sell and what percentage of those will be non-cosmetic equipment for an undetermined period of time.
Therefore, I strongly advise you to not buy any of those five items, but instead spend your Ogrines on cosmetics only if you feel like buying something. Also, share your thoughts in this thread. It doesn't have to be a full essay on the matter, heck, for this, just a simple "+1" will do.

I honestly tried to think that. But no. They did the same with server restrictions. They pulled a change out of their ass that made absolutely nobody happy, and failed to respond to the community in any way.

Trust in Ankama: zero at the moment.


posté February 29, 2012, 23:43:27 | #39

Quote (Grichmann @ 29 February 2012 23:26) *
Okay, you can think I'm being overly optimistic, or even just naive here, but hear me out. Ankama has already demonstrated severe clumsiness and a brute-force approach in testing things. What we're seeing just may be a clumsy attempt at "testing the waters" for how we, the players, feel about such things in the item store.
If that is so, then they will be monitoring all feedback channels for your thoughts on the matter, and keep a close eye on which items they sell and what percentage of those will be non-cosmetic equipment for an undetermined period of time.
Therefore, I strongly advise you to not buy any of those five items, but instead spend your Ogrines on cosmetics only if you feel like buying something. Also, share your thoughts in this thread. It doesn't have to be a full essay on the matter, heck, for this, just a simple "+1" will do.
Alternatively they'll do nothing and this is part of the way they'll market the game to bring in more money. What's not to love about legally taking money from a teenager who wants a power boost in game to satisfy their ego?

Valve, Team Fortress 2 recently released an item in game for 100$; It's a wedding ring. With over 400 hats and 100 weapons in game that had a great market going, they release a 100$ wedding ring - it does absolutely nothing but announce that you and X are now together, in a first person shooter.
Ridiculous, right? Who buys that stuff? Apparently, a lot of people.

Milking off people who don't care or are stupid is surprisingly a large income bracket, the only thing we can really hope for is that Ankama takes a hit from their subscriptions and their statistics of how many players they thought should be on a time are under the line, in which they go 'wait why arent we making X amount of money', before they realize people left because of something they could easily remove, that most people did not want.

Your optimism I think is a good way to protect yourself but the concept of them seeing how it works is still kind of moot that even if they go 'well it seems no one wants these items, in fact they hate them! we'll remove them now.' is that people will still have bought it and expect to keep it, as they paid for it. Then instead of everyone running around with it, a few select people are.
But the majority is better than the minority I guess.


posté February 29, 2012, 23:52:25 | #40

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Every time I check this thread there are more and more comments missing.
There isn't a single hidden or removed post in this thread