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people need to stop negativity on the forums all i can see seems to be everyone complaining about the game's current position and that in itself is making the game seem worse, then because everyone is complaining about the games flaws others will pick up on it then complain themselves,

the ankama are probably so afraid of the negative responses that they are too scared to change anything and they might just give up on the game completely.

The atmosphere on the forum is so negative at the moment and there is so much negative feedback over something that has not even been released yet, so nobody has any experience to say how bad it is or good it is, it may take like 1 year for a pet to actually reach its maximum stats, they are probably setting such a low exp rate so that when full game releases players will feel much faster growth? nobody really knows

though ankama does not check these international forums its still upsetting to go to a forum on a game and only find things telling people not to invest in this game its very counter productive

personally i trust ankama to fix these problems on full release.please don't start commenting on how this game is bad on this topic there are plenty others to comment on for that, try to comment on positive aspects instead.

I can say that Feca is terrible and unplayable.
I did not see any move around this class. So what?


This post has been edited by Lord-Edson - February 04, 2012, 19:00:44.

hahahaha^^

What if "Feca"?
5 feca's are as strong as 1 iop

have fun playing feca

 


This post has been edited by WLFKsenia - February 04, 2012, 19:20:42.

Satisfied players will keep playing and don't bother posting, unhappy players will complain and wents off some steam on forum. What's wrong with that? Besides they actually help the game by pointing its faulty sides.

I'm having hard time how to comment on positive aspects though, it'll be helpful if you can give some examples.  

Yea, thank god they don't change anything ever... oh wait.

The Int forum balances all the fanboys that fill the French forum. The ones that literally praise everything Ankama does, any news announcements, or blogposts. Not everyone on the French forum is a fanboy, but there's enough of them that Ankama could read a lot before seeing even one negative comment.


The point about Pets being a straight copy-paste from Dofus does not need them to actually be released for Wakfu.

Other criticisms are equally grounded.

The point is, it's exceptionally negative now because release has been announced. The various excuses about Beta, or fixing things before release, simply cannot excuse things "now". If it was a handful of problems, most people could expect those to be reasonably fixed around release... but it's not. There are a lot of problems which a lot of people don't see being even recognised by Ankama, let alone fixed.


This post has been edited by GoldfishGod - February 04, 2012, 19:46:57.

You're half right to me.
I know this might sound like i'm defending Ankama, but trust me I'm not, I'm just trying to point out how things actually are.

I, myself am not satisfied with many of the game aspects so far, classes are still unbalanced, we didn't get to test the Masqueraider at all, the Gemlin is being replaced with pets and the stat.s seem to be affecting the builds way too little, also two of the four nation have so little content it isn't even worth choosing them, there's also basically no in-game background story. (I'm seeing way fewer bugs than people is complaining about tho)

That said, last patch was a while ago, we can't know what will be added by the 29th of February, nothing might be changed, as well as the whole game could have been modified.
We sure had some news, like the pets introduction, some new equipments and subscription prices.
Being close to the game going live I'm not wondering these were the things they wanted us to know, also, looking around the french and NA forums, I seen some classes will have some minor changes in their spells.
For those who are compaining about Rogue and Ecaflip being removed, I see that as a sign of quality, those class weren't effective and not ready for launch, instead of making change so they could have been mediocre but playable, they decided to start them over, and make them better.

Now, what I am seeing is most of the players on here (I said most, not every player) are just complaing because they want to, not because there's any need for it.
No matter the decision Ankama is taking, whatever they choose it's wrong, because criticizing it's easier than supporting, and I don't like that.
It's ok to tell everyone your opinion, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but assuming a decision from the company it's wrong, without knowing what are the factors leading to that result, just because it's Ankama who made it, it's not a way to share an opinion, it's acting like kids who want a bigger slice of cake.
That said, I'm not telling people shouldn't complain, because there's a lot of aspects which are in serious need to be discussed, we don't want to play a low quality game. Although, it would be more helpful to say why and how it could be better, instead of just going like "Omg Ankama changed this too, i'm not going to pay subscription for a game full of bugs!"
Well, first of all, if you encounter bugs, why don't you report them? And how do you know Devs aren't already working to fix the mentioned bugs?
I'm not making any reference to any specific person, just telling what my impression is reading the forums these days.
 

im pretty sure ankama knows the problems,

about the exp dilemma

because there will be a wipe there is going to be a shortage of players, so ankama reduced exp curve so that players can see more players in the same areas as them.

this lead to players being grumpy about the exp being crap and players complain on forums then go post bye bye asia grinder

Ankama is a very lazy company and they usually solve problems by removing the whole feature (example chain harvesting) or doing the complete opposite of what the players were asking (example lack of content) when there was a lack of content instead of adding more they decided to Stretch the content and make the game seem longer by lowering exp rate ...

these are the exp rate, Why ankama reduced spell exp is beyond me it just makes players feel crappy and give up after seeing the 12/1437 progress.

i believe ankama Will return the exp system to its original beauty when the full release comes out,

i have sent a question into ankama on air asking if all classes are going to be available in full release i hope they answer it and its answer is yes :s (they like saying yes)


This post has been edited by Venusquake - February 04, 2012, 20:11:39.

Wait, what?

What do you think Ankama is, some sort of indie team working on their university thesis? No they're not. They're a mature company that is planning to make money out of us, in a rather greedy way if you ask me.

They can (and must) cope with everything bad we can throw at them. The notion that they will "give up on the game" because of criticism is ridiculous.




Eh?

Your optimism is commendable but, excuse me, we DO have experience about how bad some of Ankama's design choices are. The main issue is that Ankama is not using their stretched beta period to gather feedback, and are rather using it as a sort of marketing tool so they have a big enough player base by the time release hits.

This is obvious when you realize they're turning the entire mechanics of the game upside down 28 days away from release. No sensible company makes such extreme changes without pushing release dates back. We are concerned and negative because Ankama is showing they have neither the time nor the competence to steer the boat back on its way before the 28th, specially since for every new class they announce they seem to break two to the point they have to scoop them back. Even what remains in game is broken. PvE is governed by AI exploits rather than genuine gameplay, class balance is terrible, politics can be rigged to hell and back, environment lacks any impact, world PvP lacks any reward, punishment or interest whatsoever, spell levelling discourages variety to the point you either level 1 spell or remain useless, server restrictions within Europe make no sense yet there is no acknowledgement from their part that we are upset by them...

I could keep going for long. Those are real, objective problems that aren't going to change at the flick of their magic wand on release date. They have to work on them. Hard. Instead, they're kindly offering different fun ways to cough up our hard earned money for an unfinished product (which includes the new EXP ratio, it's a measure clearly thought for stretching content and preventing early desubs).




No it's not upsetting. It's a warning sign. One they should be listening to.

Seriously, they're neither a charity nor a student team we have to cheer for and motivate. They're a company that is planning to sell a product, and as their beta testers it's our duty to flag what things are wrong and how they must fix them. We would be doing them a terrible favour if we just smiled and pat their backs, which seems to be what you suggest.

I like this game as much as you do. Otherwise, I wouldn't be posting here. But seriously, it's very flawed. Ankama is piling up terrible decisions which are going to bite them back in the end, I don't wish that to them so I refuse to sit back and watch Wakfu sink. I would trust their ability to fix it on release but time is running out and they show no sign of going the right direction.

Let's see how things turn out, although I'm genuinely worried.


This post has been edited by Aranfalc - February 04, 2012, 20:24:00.

That's totaly not true, 1 iop with pure eartquake and wp-damage boost suport can OHKO 8 fecas at the same time if they're stupid enough to stand around him (belive me 1x iop + 5x feca = 5x dead feca + 1x 90% HP iop)

ankama faces a lot of contradictions when they try and change something in the game on what players on the forums want so they get it wrong, and Ankama does not look on the international forums.

Us telling players who just started yesterday that this game sucks so bad will make players have a bad experience of the game and then they will leave, that's just making the game worse, i'm not saying anything about "patting ankama on the head" i'm saying don't give new players the worst impression of the game possible let them experience it themselves. (some players go to the forums of an mmo before playing it)

a type of game like wakfu is up to the players to make it a good experience, players don't want to make groups like they used too because the exp system in groups got nerfed so now players only fight solo... (thanks to people complaining they cant play solo and are being forced to play in a group...) and if there are no players in groups it makes the game so dull and repetitive. this is when Wakfu started going downhill.

if there are more players > there will be more groups and communities > there will be more chat and humor, tactical thought and teamwork > there will be less repetitiveness > there will be more enjoyment

when players can meet other players and help each other these problems will no longer be such a big part of the game. right now everyone who logs on wakfu just fights solo goballs as iop or sram then logs off. that is their experience of the game. its not how the game should be and its not what it should be judged on either.

the classes seem unbalanced now because some classes are better played in groups than others (although fecas just suck allways just like they did in dofus but when kolloseum got released people saw how they could be good but they have no spells near as useful as they do in dofus, i thought fecas would be better in wakfu its not that hard to do really just like +60 dmg max lvl all their spells and they are 1/2 as strong as iop but ankama sees them as a defensive class therefore they must do no damage and no utility and no support)


 

What you're saying is not how the world works, much less the MMO market, I'll give you a very recent example: EvE online.

EvE online is a very popular and successful sandbox MMO. Since roughly 1 year ago the developers shifted their design priorities, focusing less on game content and adding purely visual and cosmetic improvements, overhauling the entire avatar system. Together with this they introduced a new in-game currency obtained through the cash shop to buy some of the aforementioned cosmetic items.

The community was upset, almost enraged. Even though everything I said are net additions to the game which wasn't losing quality in any way, the community felt betrayed and abandoned, negativity started to pop up in the forums and believe me, they became much worse than this. Subscriptions went down, warnings were issued and the devs wouldn't listen.

Until, eventually, they did. They thankfully realized how hard they were screwing up, so they steered back into the right track, fired part of the team, and issued a public apology.

The reaction from the community was amazing. Unconditional support from almost everyone, a renewed excitement and confidence, and a boost in subscriptions again. Only because the devs listened. None of this wouldn't have happened if the community had not been vocal about their concerns. Hell, they even organized riots at the game's biggest hubs.

What I'm trying to say is that we're not doing anything wrong by being negative. If being negative at the forums means Ankama will lose customers, so be it. We'll keep trying to make that happen until they come down here and listen to the demands of their paying customers.


This post has been edited by Aranfalc - February 04, 2012, 22:52:50.

Ankama is composed of grown men, they should be able to handle criticism. If they don't they just show themselves as an immature company.

Something a lot of people dont seem to understand these days:
Negative feedback is a GOOD thing, because that means people care about the game and want it to be fixed, better. If the company IGNORES the feedback, then thats their fault and if they lose players because of it, thats their fault too for ignroing it.
"Company makes a good game, people pay for it, they use the money they get to improve the game". Thats how it has to be done, not "Company makes a bad game, people pay for it hoping their money will fix it, they dont fix it and players blame negative feedback for game going downhill". We dont need another TORtanic happening here, where people blame the players for the game's problems instead of the company that is trying to hide them under the carpet while having no intentions of fixing it. People pay for a PRODUCT so they can enjoy it and so it becomes even BETTER or at least keeps the same level of quality over time, they dont pay for an unfinished product that they have to work to make bearable HOPING that one day the game will be good.

That said, i love Ankama and most of their products, im a HUGE fan for wakfu and i would probably suck in anything related to it wihtout thinking it twice, this game has GOOD ideas, but it has failed to meet the expecations, and as time goes by the most obvious it becomes that they are trying to distract people from the real problems with small shiny things. Things that have been proposed because they NEED to be fixed for AGES are still not fixed, and telling people to "stop complaining because they are ruining the game" is wrong. If you want people to stop complaining, then you should tell Ankama to do the jobs they are getting paid for, and not expect people to pay for the chance that a bad product will become good in the FUTURE. The game has good and bad things, but right now its obvious the bad things overcome by FAR the good ones, both in quantity and importance, and many things were quite obvious but they have been ignoring the feedback and thats their fault.

I really want to believe they will realize their mistakes and get serious, but as time goes the more i doubt that will happen, but i will stay here until the end and hope in some kind of miracle the way they are managing feedback changes, or that they at least attempt to respond to the feedback directly in a forum other than the french one. I know, they are french, can only speak french, etc; but its not that hard for a company that big to get over something like that. If they keep us in the dark about the most important and bigger updates and the development of the game, dont expect people to have high expectations when Ankama never lets us know WHAT they are doing.


This post has been edited by DashxAngel - February 04, 2012, 23:42:01.

I feel you bro. I believe in Ankama and like this game even in it's current state

Removed the first part of the quote because I fully agree with that, negative feedback, if motivated, is a sign that people do care about the game.

Now, for what concerns the current state of the game.
Heh, things aren't exactly the way I expected to be at one month from launch, but we are forgetting something, the number of maps and monsters out there isn't a key factor at the moment, that can always be added later.
Being the Beta Test almost over, what I am now worried about is something else, the "core" of the game, which is the key part that has to be developed right away, the Core is the point where the whole game evolves around, no matter how many things will be added and how many classes could eventually be released, it will all spin around what is being made these days.

And so far what I'm seeing isn't exactly great, since the Wakfu core, removed the skills system and the Gemlin (that, as we know won't last long), isn't an evolution of Dofus (which was what I expected), but it's about the same, with little things added here and there, we got different skill trees, politics and an ecosystem (which needs a lot of work), but it doesn't really feel like a new game.
I don't know if you guys remember what the first announcement video for Wakfu was like, 4 years ago, there were just so many things, Ankama was even talking of cross classing.
At Current state, if Dofus is an Ice Cream, Wakfu is the same ice cream in a different package.

What ve have now is a better looking Dofus with less content, and a better battle system, and that's why I see people being disappointed, Wakfu's expectations were so huge that can't and won't be met if Ankama keeps filling gaps with Dofus mechanics.
In an extreme situation, where Ankama would put a choice in front of us, I don't know what you would say, but between 29th launch, and clearing up everything once again and start the game from what it was like at the beginning of the v3 open beta (..and forgetting about Dofus while developing) I'd say go ahead and try again.
Now, that was the design of the most extreme situation, as the game isn't as great as it could be, but isn't bad either, all we need some real effort from the Devs, Since they started this game with a great vision, and the lack of new ideas is leading to ruining the game instead of improving it.

(That's way more twisted than the way I usually write, I know, forgive me as it's late here.)

I agree man. Complain = care. Lets see how Ankama will do.

Ankama is a "crap" as a company for 2 reasons:

1- They ONLY hear french people advice... seems xenophobic but it's true, and I'll explain my reasons to say this: From dofus, many many players from the Int community begged for class improvements... for 2 f* years, ankama did nothing... but when a post was made about the EXACT same topic by a fanboy (what spells to nerf, and why), many frenchies replied and the post got "hot". Now, ankama, who only listen to them, got the improvement 2 weeks after. So that's why I hate the company itself, but I do respect the mods, and everyone in the Int/En community. It was not the first time, and will not be the last.

2- This is a post without proof right now, since I'm lazing to search, but years and years ago, 7+, when dofus was starting, a french Dev posted on his blog that Int community was just an "extra fund" and that he could care less for it. The true community lays where the game comes from, France, as he said. This just make me quit, and today I still remember what that racist said. If that kind of people are still working as major devs of the game, then just stop the feedback here, and go to the french forums.


"people need to stop negativity"? No my dear, ANKAMA needs to stop the way they care for players from other communitys... not talking about the support team or mods, but the Devs it self... if this problem get solved and they started to listen, believe me, dofus or wakfu would be years ahead.

Oh by the way, do you know the real reason why dofus is free now? Because game population is decreasing around 8% a year, starting from 2009, and if you think that not much, do the math... not counting with bots.

if the game sucks (hella unbalanced + bugs) there is no reason to lie about it and behave as if nothing happened.