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Short Strich * Member Since 2009-09-23
posté February 01, 2012, 20:22:50 | #1
Make a separate English server! Heyy Guys.

IGN: Iop Heart, Scram Shadow.

Since the game is gonna be released and we mite be expecting less then 11 million players worldwide from Dofus to join us cause of the game release.

My Suggestion is that why don't we have our own Server, a English server (this would mean more work for you guys but we could get our own member of the community to be made a Official Mods of the forum to post the latest news and copy them from the NA forum or whatever AND a another competition for a new server name).

IGN : Iop Heart, Scram Shadow


Nun Shall Pass * Member Since 2011-05-25
posté February 01, 2012, 20:37:37 | #2
International server is officially an english speaking one.... shame not everybody respect this. I do hope they will add another english speaking server but i think this wouldnt solve anything as part of those annoying players will still go there and not speak english. There should be a rule that people who use different language then that of the server would be send to prison, muted or banned even. Maybe thats too harsh but something should be done in this matter.


Short Strich * Member Since 2009-09-23
posté February 01, 2012, 20:43:09 | #3

Quote (Kikuihimonji @ 01 February 2012 20:37) *
International server is officially an english speaking one.... shame not everybody respect this. I do hope they will add another english speaking server but i think this wouldnt solve anything as part of those annoying players will still go there and not speak english. There should be a rule that people who use different language then that of the server would be send to prison, muted or banned even. Maybe thats too harsh but something should be done in this matter.
Maybe they should block them like they blocked us from NA, so like Block eg. Asian , Czech some countries like that.

Cause different speaking players dont attract players to play the game, like me seeing different speaking players make me feel like the only and lonely English player in the GAME at that moment.


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2007-03-08
posté February 01, 2012, 20:50:55 | #4

Quote (Absziis @ 01 February 2012 20:22) *
My Suggestion is that why don't we have our own Server, a English server (this would mean more work for you guys but we could get our own member of the community to be made a Official Mods of the forum to post the latest news and copy them from the NA forum or whatever AND a another competition for a new server name) , this is the ONLY favor am asking and another would agree with me.

Cause this forum has gone dead after most of our players have left to NA server.

Am not being rude or whatever, but am tired of playing with Immigrants , i mean like i don't want to and don't like to play with this non-English speaking player,

First: they are bloody annoying i bet they being rude behind our back,

Second : We DON'T know them and They DON'T know us.

Third: They are new(i don't mind training new English player) but i hate playing the game with players that don't know English.

New Player : Hello can help me?
Me: Sure
New Player : me don't speak
English
*Other Players Join*
New Player :Ahoj kluci, co je nahoru?
Other players : _Nic moc.
Me : 0_0
New Player :
_Habtihr gehört, das neue Update, Haustiere gonna be so cool das ist, ich kann warten, es kommen am 29.?
Me:Bloody Hell.
*After 1 Hour Later, Me Is Tired And Makes A Excuse To Leave the group*

I hope you listen to my suggestion and agree with me cause this server is going to die.
“Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand” Matthew 12:25

(Bet none is gonna listen to me and its gonna be deleted)
You know, when you end your post with trying to second-guess moderators, you've probably realised you're not exactly putting your point across in a reasonable manner.

As said, the Int community is both International, and English-language. The NA block effects the English community... if they aren't going to make a server for Brazil/Portugal, etc, when they are apparently "overwhelming", so by that logic must be a larger population... why would they do so for the English "scraps".

Assuming that "immigrants" are being rude behind your back is not exactly the most community minded approach.

"Not knowing people" is one of the core points of MMOs... you don't know 99% of the people.

Quoting the Bible? wtf? Out-of-context it looks like that quote is against splitting up the community.


This post has been edited by GoldfishGod - February 02, 2012, 10:00:30.
Short Strich * Member Since 2009-09-23
posté February 01, 2012, 21:01:40 | #5

Quote (GoldfishGod @ 01 February 2012 20:50) *

Quote (Absziis @ 01 February 2012 20:22) *
My Suggestion is that why don't we have our own Server, a English server (this would mean more work for you guys but we could get our own member of the community to be made a Official Mods of the forum to post the latest news and copy them from the NA forum or whatever AND a another competition for a new server name) , this is the ONLY favor am asking and another would agree with me.

Cause this forum has gone dead after most of our players have left to NA server.

Am not being rude or whatever, but am tired of playing with Immigrants , i mean like i don't want to and don't like to play with this non-English speaking player,

First: they are bloody annoying i bet they being rude behind our back,

Second : We DON'T know them and They DON'T know us.

Third: They are new(i don't mind training new English player) but i hate playing the game with players that don't know English.

New Player : Hello can help me?
Me: Sure
New Player : me don't speak
English
*Other Players Join*
New Player :Ahoj kluci, co je nahoru?
Other players : _Nic moc.
Me : 0_0
New Player :
_Habtihr gehört, das neue Update, Haustiere gonna be so cool das ist, ich kann warten, es kommen am 29.?
Me:Bloody Hell.
*After 1 Hour Later, Me Is Tired And Makes A Excuse To Leave the group*

I hope you listen to my suggestion and agree with me cause this server is going to die.
“Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand” Matthew 12:25

(Bet none is gonna listen to me and its gonna be deleted)
You know, when you end your post with trying to second-guess moderators, you've probably realised you're not exactly putting your point across in a reasonable manner.

As said, the Int community is both International, and English-language. The NA block effects the English community... if they aren't going to make a server for Brazil/Portugal, etc, when they are apparently "overwhelming", so by that logic must be a larger population... why would they do so for the English "scraps".

Assuming that "immigrants" are being rude behind your back is not exactly the most community minded approach.

"Not knowing people" is one of the core points of MMOs... you don't know 99% of the people.

Quoting the Bible? wtf?
The NA Block Effect The English Community That i Didn’t Knew
As sorry for saying the word immigrants, i just dont like the fact its international.its like we are piece of trash really to me.

You made a good point but walking around through the maps , myself just notices too much not English.but i do know most player i think (Of cause i dont know the new ones but i know most of the players that played since OB


Bible quotes = am religious

(need to organize and make my posts better next time )


Happy Miliboowolf * Member Since 2011-09-24
posté February 01, 2012, 21:07:07 | #6

Quote (Absziis @ 01 February 2012 21:01) *

Bible quotes = am religious

(need to organize and make my posts better next time )
i don't think ankama likes if if you post religious stuff on the forums (but then again they don't really look at these forums)


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2007-03-08
posté February 01, 2012, 21:12:50 | #7
The English-speaking countries who are not inside North Amercia cannot access the NA forum/server...

The "biggest" lumps are the UK/Ireland and Australia/New Zealand... but there are a lot of other countries which also list English as spoken, but not as a majority language: Click here:English_official_language_clickable_map

Properly fine-tuning an IP block would be near impossible for those smaller spots, and A/NZ are geographically quite far away from UK/Ire where things start getting questionable with ping (as if A/NZ didn't have enough trouble with accessing games), and UK/Ire are quite small in general.


This post has been edited by GoldfishGod - February 02, 2012, 10:00:30.
Happy Miliboowolf * Member Since 2011-09-24
posté February 01, 2012, 21:22:23 | #8

Quote (GoldfishGod @ 01 February 2012 21:12) *
The English-speaking countries who are not inside North Amercia cannot access the NA forum/server...

The "biggest" lumps are the UK/Ireland and Australia/New Zealand... but there are a lot of other countries which also list English as spoken, but not as a majority language: Click here:English_official_language_clickable_map

Properly fine-tuning an IP block would be near impossible for those smaller spots, and A/NZ are geographically quite far away from UK/Ire where things start getting questionable with ping (as if A/NZ didn't have enough trouble with accessing games), and UK/Ire are quite small in general.
what they should do is remove IP block for all servers, then open international server with no language preference (government speeches; should not matter they don't say important things.) then players access whatever server they want (Brazilians who can speak English, ect), then when players who don't speak English are on English speaking servers we can complain at them because there is a non English speaking server available for them.

Turn based games are not really affected by a little lag.


This post has been edited by Venusquake - February 02, 2012, 10:00:30.
Nun Shall Pass * Member Since 2011-05-25
posté February 02, 2012, 01:45:00 | #9

Quote (Venusquake @ 01 February 2012 21:22) *
Turn based games are not really affected by a little lag.
Yes... and when i start fight and loose whole placement state due to lag and my whole turn if i'm first one to attack due to initative... yes its nothing really -.- Cost me few fights and if it would happen on ilsands and i would die and have to pay again and again for zaaps i would be really mad. Lag does matter a lot in wakfu. Maybe if timer would stop during lag and move again when lag is gone... so that we dont loose our turns!

About this problem.. maybe if changing language for the game would be impossible things would look different? You know when someone select other language then english as language for the game - he/she see every names of items and all description and clan member's talk in that selected language. This person might feel that its normal to speak this language then, wich is why there are problems like that.


posté February 02, 2012, 02:36:20 | #10
Have you think about french players who can't access the french server because they don't live in France and have to share it with all of you We feel more lonely.

But I agree we should all speak english at least try. The server is already quite empty at certain time of the day and we feel more empty if we can't have a decent conversation with the others that we might found scarecely around the map because of the time zone.


Tofurby on Diet * Member Since 2007-04-11
posté February 02, 2012, 08:25:05 | #11
Come one come all, and welcome to my humble abode. Here, I, Gamblebete the oracle, (much like in the matrix [except I am a handsome young man, not an old african-american diva]) will come forth and sprout the mystic truths of Wakfu and its future.


In the beginning, there was a fountain. But it wasn't just any fountain. It was a fountain of light, it was a fountain of truth, it was a fountain of dreeeeeeams, it was a fountain of youth. It was a magic fountain.

BOW BOW BOW BOW BUM BUM BUDADUM BOM

- Make a new international server for people who only speak english OR at the nation selection process, recommend which nations english speakers could join. (say.. Bonta / Sufioka are recommended english servers and Ankama / Brak are where all other languages get stuffed. Because lets face it, us english speaking people are pretty much superior. Not to be racist, its just facts are facts and the english language is dominant. Get with the times all others)
- The xp system is too slow, I think a half-way point between how it was before and how it is now would be best.
- Hurry up making more of the game in terms of maps and special features. When I played the game seriously, it took me about 2 or 3 weeks before I reached level 45 or so and grew bored. I understand that if I played now, it would probably take me much longer (but only because the exp / fights were made harder) its like a cop-out to extend the games play time. Just make more of it. Stop making dofus and pool all Anakamanaian (the company) resources into Wakfu.

Do as I say for thoust dare not incurr the wrath of Gamblebete the oracle.


This post has been edited by Gamblelebet - February 02, 2012, 10:00:30.
Reason for edit : Clarification of my primeordial mystical ball
posté February 02, 2012, 08:52:56 | #12

Quote (Gamblelebet @ 02 February 2012 08:25) *
Come one come all, and welcome to my humble abode. Here, I, Gamblebete the oracle, (much like in the matrix [except I am a handsome young man, not an old african-american diva]) will come forth and sprout the mystic truths of Wakfu and its future.


In the beginning, there was a fountain. But it wasn't just any fountain. It was a fountain of light, it was a fountain of truth, it was a fountain of dreeeeeeams, it was a fountain of youth. It was a magic fountain.

BOW BOW BOW BOW BUM BUM BUDADUM BOM

- Make a new international server for people who only speak english OR at the nation selection process, recommend which nations english speakers could join. (say.. Bonta / Sufioka are recommended english servers and Ankama / Brak are where all other languages get stuffed. Because lets face it, us english speaking people are pretty much superior. Not to be racist, its just facts are facts and the english language is dominant. Get with the times all others)
- The xp system is too slow, I think a half-way point between how it was before and how it is now would be best.
- Hurry up making more of the game in terms of maps and special features. When I played the game seriously, it took me about 2 or 3 weeks before I reached level 45 or so and grew bored. I understand that if I played now, it would probably take me much longer (but only because the exp / fights were made harder) its like a cop-out to extend the games play time. Just make more of it. Stop making dofus and pool all Anakamanaian (the company) resources into Wakfu.

Do as I say for thoust dare not incurr the wrath of Gamblebete the oracle.

Isn't an oracle suppose to predict the future? You are more like ''suggesting'' things than predicting. Then there is the question whether you can read also, besides only posting. 3 topics down from your current topic, there is a topic labeled Suggestion: Make a new SERVER! Which pretty much says the same thing, and if you wanted to make suggestion with similar topic, you could have wrote it in there instead.

For your second point about xp system, yes this is like the 100's time someone writes about it now, we know its slow... its also confirmed by the NA SE-Derek that they acknowledge this and will change it the next patch. Yet again a suggestion that been suggested many many times before, I even wrote it in my topic: Whats your opinion on the current state of wakfu.

Don't know how serious you are with the whole ''stop making dofus and pool all anakamaniaian resources into wakfu, I hope you're kidding, since its like never gonna happen. I'll just take it as a joke...

To be honest, and no offense to you... but please read around the forum instead of making posts with topics that already is discussed in other topics.


This post has been edited by [Knonaut] - February 02, 2012, 11:22:56.
Reason for edit : thread merged
posté February 02, 2012, 08:54:37 | #13
Another racist topic in 2 days... International server MUST be international.


posté February 02, 2012, 09:19:21 | #14
LOL with Gamblebete the oracle, we international server dont deserve your service here.

Better still, use your special ability and predict your way to Nox server and enjoy your stay there...

Cheer


Speechless Crobak * Member Since 2008-01-09
posté February 02, 2012, 11:06:09 | #15
You think there will be almost 11 milions of players at the release? Lol, funny joke.

Block the server for everyone exept english speaking countries? Yeah, great, and the rest is going to play where? And with who, if everyone will speak diffrent languages?

And no, we are not imigrants, its INTERNATIONAL SERVER, not english server.


This post has been edited by Rokugatsu - February 02, 2012, 11:07:27.
Overweighted Chafer * Member Since 2011-06-14
posté February 02, 2012, 20:25:55 | #16
any day I have found english speaking player.

that was my blessing day O_O


Short Strich * Member Since 2009-09-23
posté February 02, 2012, 22:06:22 | #17

Quote (Rokugatsu @ 02 February 2012 11:06) *
You think there will be almost 11 milions of players at the release? Lol, funny joke.

Block the server for everyone exept english speaking countries? Yeah, great, and the rest is going to play where? And with who, if everyone will speak diffrent languages?

And no, we are not imigrants, its INTERNATIONAL SERVER, not english server.
i said less than 11 millions player.
Yeah why not block the server what the problem with that?(not being cruel),
The rest can go to their own server or a another international server, (am I saying they are inferior)
at least the most popular languages should have their own server.
NA= American English
Aerafal=French
Elbor =Spanish
Amara=German
Remington = international
We should have one for us, NA mite be english but we cant join them

What i dont want to happen is that people who do speak english but live in other countries not to be looked off from us, we should just have on the option on our accounts saying:so people from other countries who speak english can play with us without being blocked cause of the area where they live


This post has been edited by [Dalikaeor] - February 08, 2012, 14:12:02.
Reason for edit : Please learn to speak English before asking for an English server. I've seen "Immigrants" with better skills than yours.
posté February 03, 2012, 04:17:41 | #18
Are you new to the internet? I've played many mmo games and I assure you, I haven't been that annoyed by foreign language speakers to suggest a server split. I despise every community split, except for the one that is the result of technical issues - mostly latency - and it should be at most a continental split. The reason why you suffer is actually an already happening split. The more servers, the less people are distributed between them. The rarer you meet a player, the lesser a chance, that he is an english speaker. NA players have their own server - that is logical. They have got a different publisher - Square Enix. Also, who would want to play at constant 150~300ms ping?

However Europe players should stick together and form one server. I completely don't understand Ankama's policy regarding french community. Why would they isolate them that much? Is it because that is 'their' game? The moment they use international domain they should focus on serving an international community, as internet doesn't have any borders. After isolating french people, they are obliged to do the same with other, larger nations. They took us german and spanish people already. How that, what is left, can be called international community?

If you are bothered by 'immigrants' in your mmo game, you should never join a party with non-english speaking players. Simple as that. Assuming the official Remington server language is english - its usage should be enforced only on public channels (trade and other world-wide channels) and only there.

Also, you are right, you are not racist. You are nationalist, and it is almost alright. The problem is, you are showing up on an international board without any intentions of socializing with people from other nations, and even worse - you show that you despise them. That is kind of not right.


posté February 03, 2012, 05:30:53 | #19

Quote (Eldr1ch @ 03 February 2012 04:17) *
Are you new to the internet? I've played many mmo games and I assure you, I haven't been that annoyed by foreign language speakers to suggest a server split. I despise every community split, except for the one that is the result of technical issues - mostly latency - and it should be at most a continental split. The reason why you suffer is actually an already happening split. The more servers, the less people are distributed between them. The rarer you meet a player, the lesser a chance, that he is an english speaker. NA players have their own server - that is logical. They have got a different publisher - Square Enix. Also, who would want to play at constant 150~300ms ping?

However Europe players should stick together and form one server. I completely don't understand Ankama's policy regarding french community. Why would they isolate them that much? Is it because that is 'their' game? The moment they use international domain they should focus on serving an international community, as internet doesn't have any borders. After isolating french people, they are obliged to do the same with other, larger nations. They took us german and spanish people already. How that, what is left, can be called international community?

If you are bothered by 'immigrants' in your mmo game, you should never join a party with non-english speaking players. Simple as that. Assuming the official Remington server language is english - its usage should be enforced only on public channels (trade and other world-wide channels) and only there.

Also, you are right, you are not racist. You are nationalist, and it is almost alright. The problem is, you are showing up on an international board without any intentions of socializing with people from other nations, and even worse - you show that you despise them. That is kind of not right.
For my experience with frenchs on Dofus, and even random mentions of them in other games (for example, in the medieval total war series, the french diplomat will sometimes say "vouz parlez français? non? imbecile!"), they're rather xenophobic, so even if they didn't make this split, it would be hell for the rest of the community, even on international servers there are some french who will PM you with insults for just asking something on trade in english. Just imagine if they were all in one place.

Personally, I don't mind their idea of making a server for each language, there will always be those who will prefer to be amongst those who speak their native language, what is stupid of their part is wanting to separate communities instead of languages. What matters in servers are the languages, not which country is in it. They shouldn't IP block anything. If I want to speak german when why wouldn't I be able to go to the german server? Just because I'm not living there? It makes no sense at all.


This post has been edited by Yechnagoth - February 03, 2012, 05:31:24.
Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2007-03-08
posté February 03, 2012, 11:52:45 | #20

Quote (Eldr1ch @ 03 February 2012 04:17) *
However Europe players should stick together and form one server. I completely don't understand Ankama's policy regarding french community. Why would they isolate them that much? Is it because that is 'their' game? The moment they use international domain they should focus on serving an international community, as internet doesn't have any borders. After isolating french people, they are obliged to do the same with other, larger nations. They took us german and spanish people already. How that, what is left, can be called international community?
If you look at the Dofus servers you will see why the French got their own server to themselves... They simply overwhelm any other population. The Spanish community, which is the next largest (larger than the "Int" community... which includes NA in Dofus), has about 1/5th the amount of servers. Dofus is massively popular in France because they get the full weight of Ankama's advertising/comics/etc released to them. It's not "because Ankama is French, so they suck up to French players", it's because Ankama is French that France is the easiest and most accessible audience to interact with.

When Dofus didn't have the ip-blocks on specific servers? French invaded everything, speaking French, on servers which were specifically declared for other languages.

You can see one of the reasons why in Dofus,and it shows signs of repeating in Wakfu.... people value "new servers". People think it's important to "race to max level" or a new server will "fix the economy", so even though they are established on pre-existing servers they demand new ones just so they can claim these short-sighted goals. In the same way, Wakfu has stupid things like drago-express unlocks which only exist on "new servers".


Frankly, I think distinct servers are a bad design hold-over from when MMO tech was limited by many things which do not really exist now. Other MMOs have gone with language "instances/channels", which essentially exist on the same "server", but you only see those people who are in your specific language-instance. You can easily switch to a new language channel, and you can also just switch to a different instance of your own language. The actual server is "virtualised", rather than being one machine controlling millions of players, you have multiple machines which distribute the full workload across each of them (e.g. machine-a handles instances 1-20, machine-b handles 21-40, etc). This sort of thing also scales easily, adding more instances, or removing excess ones, as the population fluxuates.

For Wakfu, this sort of design cannot be simply implemented though... it's already too far into the design. Stuff like the ecosystem, CM territories, etc, would all be in different "states" in the different instances. Not enough crops in instance-A? switch to instance-B... which would basically bypass the ecosystem, and consequences for abusing it, all together.


This post has been edited by GoldfishGod - February 03, 2012, 12:02:32.
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