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Hi, guess I'll be the first to answer but before that I want to ask you to not put a wall of text in the opening post because, as you should guess, I didnt read all of it and most people will do the same.

Since I main an iop I wanted to ask you about some changes you sugested:

1- Dont you think that by taking the wakfu cost of wrath you'll make the other spell's in the same tree useless? I mean why use the others if you can jump+wrath with 8 ap or just wrath with 6 ap?

2- why would you put shaker at 5 ap? this skill is the "key"damaging skill of earth iops, and imo its damage per ap its around the same lvl as other iop abilitys. It doesn't give any utility and can't have increased range. Why would you nerf the cost without increasing the damage?

3- I agree that jump can be OP in small maps since you can use it 3 times and make ranged classes strugle. But if you fight in a big map any other class (thinking in cras) you'll have problems. Why not make it 2 uses for turn, no damage boost and only cont 2 ap?

I'm also checking the feca changes but since I only have a low lvl feca I don't know if I am the right person to judge, sugest or coment about them

1st thing I want to say is that in balace you have to look for the full spell/abilitys kit. Air iop have uppercuts and other spells who give them big damage while earth have shaker/devastate as main damage. Meaning that the 2 shaker has to compensate the 5/6 spell combo of air.

2nd: sadida is a summon class, all its spells have utility and range. sadida damage + summon damage should be equal to others classes spell damage (same for osas), atleast in my mind. So comparing the damage between them is not fair for the iop.

3rd: See the Avalanche spell of fecas(now/and the one you sugest) for example: 5AP, Range: 2-3 can be increased, offers utility(in glyphs) and the damage: 72. In this case you see that the nerf you would make is really bad: When you compare those 2 skills, the iop's shaker would lose in all parameters.

If you say that the iops spells should have bigger damage (because of the class concept) then shaker with 5 ap should have, what, 77 damage? and again you would say OP

I won't post again in this thread about this, I just wanted to make a point about the unfairness about shaker and the dificulty that is balacing all classes at the same time.

p.s: it ended a big wall of text in the end x)

I definately feel the dhreller needs a higher chance at finding a mine, at the moment my dhreller can cast Mound 10x or more before even finding one. This is less problematic for water enus and earth but heavily problematic for fire who only deal any real damage when able to manipulate the mines.

To River-Song:

How can you say its op for a summoner to not want to loose its summons. It need to target enemy in order to heal them with this spell. It have to heal each doll for 100% of damage dealt else it would be pointless to have few dolls and everybody knows that sadida is supposed to have few summons instead of 1 like osamodas. So it can't be lowered in effectiveness with the number of dolls. It has to heal the same amount of HP for the first doll regardless of how many dolls are there on the field. And it cost 6 AP so it most likely not possible to use it twice unless you will invest your points to get 2 AP but then your dolls will suffer from having less HP wich may make Drain pointless. In other words sadida with 30% hp bonus to doll will want to invest as much points in hp as possible. This also means it won't go for Chance to get drain to heal 400 hp. And maybe you don't know it but even in beta, where blocker doll had 42% of sadida hp - it was killed in 1 or 2 turns by any damage dealer class (and it's the doll that doesn't even attack). Sadida's need good healing spell even if it apply only to it's summons. Unlike Eniripsa who got aoe heal that heal ALL in it's range - sadida can heal only it's dolls and only if it can target enemy. Drain can't be cast on doll obviously. I've reduced damage from 74 to 69, even though in beta it was 88 (but then it was OP for 1 doll .... and still UP for few dolls as it was healing less the more dolls we had...). Ankama is changing power of this spell but i think they don't realise that the heal is lowered (now) with each doll summoned, wich sucks. I don't really want to have this spell hit high (88) if it will still be nerfed with each summon. I'd rather make it a normal damage spell wich heal every doll equally for the same amount of hp regardless of number of dolls on the field.
This will lend to frustration.

Earthquake need to not hurt dolls because it's devastating with doll link and usually it's nto used because of that. As for damage it's boosted slightly but it's still random spell so if it hit sadida - it will hurt it more then now. I've changed effect on totem because let's be honest: when sadida gamble with earthquake damage it's similar to critical failure state, wich also can hurt sadida is you really fail with your luck.
If it's too risky don't use it.

Doll's HP should be equal. Why? Because currently you don't want to summon madoll. You know that it will give enemy the state of resistance to MP loss and this will make madoll useless and you will want to sacrifice it. But sacrificing it won't even heal you much so it really sucks to need to waste whole turn to sacrifice this doll, make new seed and activate it... for low HP healed... really - this is the reason why every doll should have equal HP. As for blocker - it just need more resistance so it can be a punch bag doll as it should. Even though blocker can be countered with Piersing Shot of Rogue. And another reason why each doll shoudl have equal HP is that Blocker can't have much more hp then a greedy. Because it could be used to heal up instead of making sadida use any doll it needs and heal the same amount of hp if it sacrifices any doll. So yes doll's need equal HP.
Alright little tanks that make you bound and have 5 MP.

For madoll 5 MP is fine. 6 or 8 is too much. It's not too much and its fine for low level too. Why? Because madoll after using it's spell runs away, and in next turn it need to spends the same amount of mp to get back to use this spell again wich will mean in 2nd turn it will be most likely closer or that in the next turn it can be too far away to use it's spell. It will be more fair. And it will have nice use of K'mir on madoll. Sadida will be more vesratile and madoll will be running more, wich might give sadida chance to use air spells via it easier (if it run back to sadida) or will give sadida more problems (if it run in other way, far away from sadida). Remember this doll is not dealing damage itself so it can have (and should have) more MP.
It was just a new mechanics idea.

About Totem - it doesn't need to be stabilized. In fact it shouldn't. As sadida you should be able to move totem with Gust or K'mir spells, and in same time sacrier's should have this ability to move your totem away so that you can't aim them via it (unless with earthquake). This would bring more fun the the game. Totem would be counterable (by making it possible to move it away from sadida) but pretty usefull in most of the situations. Also in team it would be nice to place a totem (sadida) and move it elsewhere with Karchamrak (pandawa) or any other spell. I also think that Beacons should not be stabilized so that we can't be trapped with cra beacons.
This will lend to frustration.

20 attacks are not too much and not too low. It means that after 20 hits sadida need to re-summon totem (and that's with 2 specialitities maxed). Notice it doesn't increase damage by 40% anymore. I don't know if charges are necessary for a totem if it can be moved but for sure it has to be obstacle just like tree, rock or a doll... like anything! Back in beta totem was breakable with pushback. That was some kind of solution but it was way TOO FRAGILE and was breaking by accidents often in team pve (looking at those noob air iop's, cra's and sacriers). whatever the change would be: it will be best if totem is NOT stabilized (for a tactical purpose, to counter it and for some fun). You know you shouldn't be able to hide behind totem in pvp. Maybe pushback damage breaking totem is better instead of charges then.... but it shoudl give WP back to sadida in case it break with pushback or else it will be too much pain to make the totem. Ok you've got me there. I think i will change suggestion about totem. Thank you.
Okay.

-25 HP for 2 ap and 40% chance for 10% Critical Failure is fine. If it would be 100% for 10% critical failure then Osamodas in dragon form would make it 60% Critical Failure with 12 AP. And it will be able to do that EVERY turn! That would be OP, wich is why there is 40% chance for critical failure. You can still try to make 60% critical failure but you might end up giving 10% or even 0% critical failure. That's balanced.
AP = Hyperaction
MP = Hypermovement
CF = Optimistic (Could work in my opinion)

It's weak because it turn's enemy around so you can make a backstab with the following spells! So it need to be low in damage. And there is buff that gives you 50% chance to recover 1 AP in case you will feel like spamming this spell (in dragon form). You will use it at start of combat with possible chance to have enemy turned around and not wasted a single AP! How can you tell it's not worth leveling? The chance to gain 1 AP is increased while you level this spell, so yes it's worth to level it.
Not worth leveling, it's like a weakened flurry that will probably never give you that AP back because of stupid random chances.

4%... hmm true that. I've updated Magpie now. Hope you like it.
I do. Conditions: 1 use per pet. HP > 20% max HP
Again, just ideas.

About Mooing: notice it will make Osamodas loose resistance when used on summon and enemy. This will make osamodas more vulnerable to damage so it's risky. The area of effect is difficult too. Also if osamodas not use whip and/or boohowl then it's summon will deal less damage. This is why the Mooing is good the way it is suggested. Though fine i've reduced the damage now.
Alright.

Gobup - why no?
But; why?

Phoenix Spirit - your summon CAN die in combat. Phoenix spirit is there so that you might not need to waste AP to re-summon them.
You should waste AP.

About Avalanche - huh? Intimidation aura work in close combat and Avalanche is 2+ cell range.
Also armor need to be usefull because it's possible to have only 1 armor at time. So either increased defensive capabilitites or attacking one's. How's Jabs of an iop is related to this? I don't understand.
+2 AP = Extra Jabs

"Shushu World Glyph - Ponies are better" - ???
Mix of trolling and joking. Sigh.

Defensive Orb i've suggested is nerfed in damage, YET you still saying it's too high. How crazy current Defensive Orb damage is then? Ankama need to nerf it as soon as possible! Still i feel that 36 damage for 2 ap and 1 mp is fine. It's similar to current Woodland Stench damage (not the one suggested).
I've fought Fecas using it six times a turn dealing 180 damage with each hit.

Cover Glyph is to counter Ecaflip's insane critical hit possibilities. Also it need to be 100% or else it will be pointless to make this glyph.
Everyone can have insane critical hit possibilities.

Explosive deglyphment need's this buff to make it possible for feca to re-place glyph without worries to hurt it's team mate's. Double doesn't explode so i don't know how i'ts related. Sacrificed doll (in order to re-sumon it) doesn't explode either so it's possible for sadida to re-summon doll in different location without hurting allies - feca need this too, also considering the increased range of glyph (2 cell in circle).
You didn't understand me. At all.

Roguh Tongue is close combat only. Can be used 3 times only (so up to 39% critical failure with 100% chance). That's a lot and it recompensate the nerf in damage (7 damage less then it should). It can be combined well with Paw's off or Ecapuncture (if critical failure happen) or togather with other ecaflip... When i think about it it's OP already. I've just put a limitation to Critical failure (max 50%).
Maybe Optimistic state again?

Claws of Ceangal - it's the same spell as it was in beta on air branch of ecaflip, just that it's now in water branch. It's pretty cool to trigger Flea Love with passive speciality. You attack 2 target's in your lock zone - on both of your sides.
It looks like you can't choose which targets to hit.

Up To Scratch was in beta too but it was attacking enemies "around" ecaflip, aka on side of it's way of teleport, not on the cells it jumps thorugh, wich was extremly... as it was too hard to aim it well and enemies didn't wanted to place themself like that. It was also too costly but i've found potential in this spell to be used over Feline Leap in some situations. The damage is fine. It's only 2 damage higher then normal and it attack only 3 enemies in line so it's not that great as you say. It's still pretty cool to use it to escape or to chase the enemy. I feel that ecaflip's need this.
No Ecaflips don't.

Feline Leap - and i would like to see ecaflip's with 10 MP. It's still random that they will get the MP and they waste AP for that so they loose damage output in that turn so it's all good. Yet another way to gamble!
You can have 7 MP by default and with a bunch of bonuses, 17 AP. So 10 MP would be a "oh, bad luck: only 10"

About negative Block... there's no such thing. It's 0 as the minimum. If it goes reduced from 3 block to -5 block then it's still 0 block. Though Ankama could make it possible to have negative Block (and negatice Critical Hits). Sounds like a nice improvement. I would also like to see equips with negative chance to get critical failure (aka: protection from critical failures).
That's what I meant.

Current Cat Tree is so lame that nobody want to use it. Cost 2 Wp and too high risk, and you loose ALL Winning Streak and it can be countered with cheap spell that cost mp or 1 ap to make Ecaflip loose Cat Tree state wich is why the change i've suggested it needed. It's not overpowered - it's luck based and more fair to risk using it.
Okay.

Paws Off - 1 use per enemy - indeed that's needed. I think it was already mentioned in the future changes that this will be applied to the game so yes i've included it now too. Thank you.
Yes they mentioned it.

I don't see a reason to limit Milk fountain to 1 use per turn. If you have 10 ap and 2mp left then you should eb able to use it twice... Because - why not?
But - why?

Pandawhack - again, why limit this? If i have 8 ap i can cast it twice anyway. In order to cast it 3 times i would need a whole lot of AP (12) and still if i manage to achive that amount of AP - it should be rewarding. No need to limit this spell.
Because of lock.

Karchamrak - why no bonus to allies? You throw ally to the enemy's camp! Give him some protection at least. It's bonus for 1 turn anyway and pandawa is not dealing damage for the AP used to pick and throw ally, so it's fine to give it a buff to allies.
Don't throw them "to the enemy's camp!" then.

You are saying barrel need more alcohol... ok done.
I meant merry. It's a huge nerf now (From 10 to 2)

Iv'e changed cost of Barrelhop on purpose. With 6 ap you can get merry +15 Lvl while jumping around your barrel (aka dancing ^^). This can be usefull for those who like to get drunk fast. IT's also less OP as it cost MP because it limit pandawa movement a bit. Also without WP cost pandawa can always jump to barrel and some build's require this. This is done obviously in mind that the fights will last longer and that pvp will be more tactical.
Hummm... okay...

Enutrof's purge.... maybe you are right that it's too strong. Lil' nerf coming. From -26 to -23. It has to be usefull for something else then just making pouch bigger, really.
It's ok with 23.

Fire spells should not destroy the mines. It's already difficult to make enemy step on mine that might not be located where it should. I've changed Meteor spell now. Hope it;s fine now.
It is.

About Hot Magma you need to consider it's range and the fact that it can hurt enutrof it is too close to a mine. Also enemy won't stay in 1 cell all the time so you might hit it with mine's help on first turn and then you might have it away from any mine. This is why mine's should not be destroyed. It's good the way i've suggested.
Everyone thinks what they suggest is good.

Psykosis Flask limit eniripsa's movemend by 2 wich means it will most likely end's in enemy's lock zone in next turn. This is why there is high need of this spell requiring no LoS - so that it can be used well in team with a sacrier for example or against summoner class. I've decided to reduce it's damage though. From -56 to -51.
Sigh.

Heal Drain should not ignore zombification - it would make eniripsa die really fast vs 2 eniripsa's in team as they will heal eniripsa under zombification to make it suffer damage and then eniripsa's heal drain will hurt eniripsa for evevn more damage! This makes this speciality not wanted. Why would you level a speciality that would kill you faster? That's awkward. This speciality is currently useless due to lack of classes that can heal and still it would be not wanted to level knowing you will die fast against other eniripsa who start fight before you. And if ankama plans to add more healing spells to the game then it's another reason why Heal Drain should not trigger with Zombification. It's already pain that you won't be healed with heal drain while other players uses heals - making eniripsa suffer with it is just stupid, and i could even say it is a bug. Heal Drain should drain HEAL not damage via healing spells.
I don't know what I've just read.

I've reduced range of unnatural remedies because it's currently OP. The lower range will make eniripsa's enemies (in pvp) know that they should avoid close combat if they want to avoid zombification. Also let's be honest: with it's healing abilitites eniripsa can tank the damage and then heal back. This change to range is also to make eniripsa focus more on healing then on kiting enemy with heals that hurt from a distance. I don't limit it to uses per turn because it's nice to use it on few target's when they are located close to eachother and can suffer from aoe heals. This limiation to range will also make eniripsas use air and fire spells to damage enemy at distance. Currently being enirpsa is boring - you just use unatural remedies and heal, and you continue doing that untill enemy is dead or untill you run out of wp. You might eventuall yuse 1 wp for Transcendance but that's it. So this change to Unnatural Remedies range is intended.
Okay...

About Xelor: the chance to remove AP should be low in spell's. You should know that there is Tick and Tock and other specialities that increase the chance to remove AP and removing AP should NEVER be easy. We don't want to make xelors remove 6 ap at start of the fight because it's the same as stunning enemy or putting it to sleep! The chance to stun in iop's spells is 10% and the chance to remove MP is also low, though reducing MP doesn't stop you from attacking as long as you have ranged spells or other way's to attack, while making you loose all AP is like making you able to only pass turn - doesn't matter where you are standing, close to enemy or no. Removing AP is overpowered in this game but since xelor's should do that - let them be, but not with high % chance. The fact that Slow down CAN remove 2 ap instead of 1 is aleady great adventage for a xelor. You deal damage and then occasionally enemy has 2 less AP! and that's with single spell. Doesn't matter that in next turn your enemy will have hypraction or that you will be on Tick not Tock - you've already received less damage then you normally would. This is why chance to remove AP should be low. Also because many xelor's will go for willpower, wich will increase the chance for them to remove AP. Willpower, Tock and other passive specialities togather with even 10% chance to remove AP make this chance to remove AP pretty high. Notice you don't need 100% chance to remove AP to actually remove it! I gave a lot of thought's to the % chance of removing AP on xelor and i've also changed Dial too so that Xelor is balanced with other classes.
25-30% is the optimal choice in my opinion.

This new Clock doesn't hurt xelor but it does hurt allies. though i think that it could be changed so that allies are not hurt....
Thanks.

The range of Hand is not retarged. It's pretty usefull and easy to cast considering Xelor's mobility on dial. 2 Range means you hit anyone in the next hour cell and it's strong move that also injuries those around target. It has base 70 damage for only 5 AP where it normally should have 60 damage. But it's stronger and limited in range instead. And like i've said it's pretty easy to cast knowing you can jump around on Dial hour's so there's nothing to complain about.
Sigh.

And no Xelor's don't need Devotion. There's already Hammer Time (and Xelor's Sandglass) to give AP to allies and ALSO allies on Dial will get +1AP. Hammer Time + Hour cell of dial and it's the same that Devotion gives to allies. It's more difficult to aim it well but that's matter of placement and tactic. Another thing is that you have to consider how much distribution points we need to spend in order to get AP. And only rare set's (other then gobbal) give AP wich means AP is pretty much precious. It shouldn't be easily given. And i'd rather see Temporal Creature in Xelor's specialities.
They do.

Poisons and venoms effect doesn't fit for fire branch. And maybe you didn't realised this but currently only sadida have earth+water+air spell branches. There need to be more classes that doesn't have fire branch or the game will be not balanced. I do hope Foggernauts will have water+air+earth branches but that would be only 2 classes with such elements and that's not much. Back in beta ecaflip was water+air+earth. That got changed and i don't see now the branch with dice as air element one. Anyway let's see how many classes we have with what elements:
Fire+Air+Earth:
Cra
Iop
Sacrier
Osamodas
RogueFire+Water+Earth:
Pandawa
Feca
Enutrof
EcaflipFire+Air+Water:
Xelor
Sram
EniripsaWater+Air+Earth:
SadidaLike you see Sadida is THE ONLY CLASS WITHOUT FIRE BRANCH.
12 classes have fire branch, 10 got earth branch and 9 got air branch while only 8 got water branches. This only shows that we got too many classes with fire branches.
Now iv'e suggested Rogue to be water+fire+air and that would itslef make balance between number of classes with fire+water+earth, fire+air+water and fire+air+earth branches but sadida is left alone as the only class with water+air+earth. This is why i suggest Sram to be changed from hemmorhages to venoms aka from fire to earth. It won't be balanced still but for sure MORE balanced then it is now as there will be 2 classes with such elemental combo. It will also allow sram to have 1 element against any class other then sadida. I think that sounds pretty cool.
Why so much trouble because of changing a word?

Forcefull Blow - why this change? Because it should be FORCEFULL so it should be strong. IT also will give +30% damge for next spell used on enemy's back doesn't matter if you will use some side damage or frontal damage meanwhile, the bonus 30% will wait for you to backstab somebody.
I find this a nerf.

There's no need to limit Deadly Poison. It apply Lvl.1 Poisoning and you can't have level 2 Poisoning as it's Lvl.1 max. So you can use it again on the target with poisoning but you won't make him suffer more from that poison.
Excuse me, but I didn't find anything about it on your post.

Diversion - updated with your suggestion.
Thanks.

Changed Bloodhtirsty fury.
Sigh.

37 dmg for 3 ap is not low. It's 7 dmg higher then normal damage. Notice that sacrier's have angrr wich increase the damage. Fire spells are meant to increase Angrr faster aka: to make sacrir powerfull faster. Sacrier's use fire spells to hit hard and kill enemy faster while they use earth spells to tank the damage more. It's situational wich element to use.
Make it 51 (Almost actual damage) and we'll talk.

Cage of Blood should hurt sacrier the same way that any fire spell does. Like i've said fire spells help boosting Angrr bonus by hurting sacrier. Also sacrier's got a lot of HP so they shouldn't bother much with that cost. It's balanced with other classes this way.
I've died so many times because I couldn't use anything that didn't hurt me (wearing Makabrabo and my Cage of Blood is level 10)

Updated Punishment to make it worth using situationally.
Make it use a WP instead of MP because "situationally".

Rejectatoo is actually good to be 1-3 range and to push by 2 cells. It will give sacrier more agility with it's air spells as well as making Motion Sickness better.
It will... it will...

3 MP is not too much for a light speed. There was 5AP 1 MP 1 WP cost before and 1 WP is recompensed with 2 MP. Damage for 5AP and 1 MP is the same. 2 MP only limit usefulness of this spell but that's intended because it's already great AOE spell with teleport. I wanted to reduce WP cost in for spells but that would mean the change in AP and MP costs. Notice that you gain great distance with this spell. Some teleporting spells cost 2MP, here in sacrier's spells Light Speed include aoe damage dealing and teleporting fused in 1 spell. This is why the cost and damage is all fine and justified. Sacrier's should not run anywhere they want to and use Lighting Speed. Instead, they should play with Assault or other position changing spells in order to make light speed hit what they want to. It will be more difficult to aim but same usefulness, less escape as it reduce mobility but no wp cost in same time. I could eventually change it to 2MP but with the change to damage too. So here is is: instead of 5 ap 3mp for 65 dmg its now 5ap and 2 mp for 58 dmg. It's bit stronger with AP+MP/dmg ratio but it's fine and viable, with more mobility as 1 MP less in cost. Hope you like this change. No need to limit it to 1 use per turn.
You know positioning is really important for these huge area of effect spells.

As for bombs its already better that they have different range. Still knowing there is passive speciality for bombs that increase their damage i think it's fine to make it 10 dmg for 1 AP for every bomb.
At least:
2 AP = 20
3 AP = 32
4 AP = 44
Or something like that.

As for Retreat Arrow it cost 4AP and 1MP but it pushes by 2 cells now, wich means you will gain 1 MP difference with possible chance to place beacon well to give enemy's some problems to reach you back. It should also cost MP because it's used to escape and as for that Sniper Stance (Long Distance Combat) should not be used before this spell.
Alright.

Highten Vision is a passive speciality and as such it needs 20 levels to be maxed. Something has to increase from each level to another and there is only 3 range and 10% crit bonus. It could be 20% crit bonus instead but i don't want to make Cra better in crits then Ecaflip. And dodge is something that Cra needs in order to get back to distance 3+ in order to use it's arrow spells.
Why on Earth would you need dodge with 13+ range?

Beacon Crush is fusion of Beacon Sneakin' and Unbeacon. It makes Cra jump on i'ts beacon and crush it upon impact. It's far more logic then the beacon sneakin' and unbeacon. It also means that destroying beacon won't hurt with no-elemental damage, but instead it will just allow cra to move away but at some reasonable cost, wich means less damage output in that turn for Cra. It doesn't cost WP because it doesn't need to cost WP.
Ninja Cras ftw.

Seekin' Arrow should be used for Cra not only to aim for target. It should be buff similar to iop's increase so that Cra will use WP for that and occasionally it will surprise enemy by attacking it even though it thought it was safe behind obstacles. I have just changed the distance as i felt it was too good. Now it's better.
They have epic range and no line of sight spells, not needed.

Gutting Guts has no need to hit 2 target's but with the change done to uppercut it would. Also it's always good to have at least 1 (even small) aoe in air branch too.
Use fire.

Uppercut is not overpowered with that change. [this is also to you, NoelanaD]
I know there is intimidation spell but Upercut has different usage. In fact i will change it to knock enemy futher away! It's like Pandawa's Karchamrak spell though instead of reducing resist it deals dmg and instead of ap it cost wp. Silly iop's will use this spell right away and then will end up having no mp to reach enemy and attack it. Smart iop's will not use it to keep enemy in close combat. Also smart iops will use it situationally, not as a part of additional damage everytime they can use it. Though that depends if enemy is melee or not. Still it could be really handy in team pvp. Iop will be able to "change" the target that it want to attack. Will knock someone away and run to the other target. All tactical. And that's without using AP like Intimidation does and Uppercut also ignore obstacles so iop can knock someone behind a tree or other player who iop want to attack. Example: sacrier swaped place with eniripsa and attacks iop's in the face. Iop uses uppercut and attack eniripsa instead to kill the healer faster. Obviously it depends if sacrier had Sacrifice state on eniripsa or not but it cost WP for a sacrier too and it's all tactical. Also it doesn't need to be a sacrier. It could be any class covering another and iop will run and knock someone away to attack the weakened target. That's what will make Uppercut special. It will be good for combo's... but situational. Will also give some versatility to iop's. And i like it.
[Air][Air][Wall][Feca][Iop]
Iop uses Uppercut:
[Feca][Air][Wall][Air][Iop]
Really overpowered and NOT NEEDED.

As for Defensive Stance it will work the same way as now. Doesn't matter if people will try to counter it with cheap spell - it still has it's uses.
Per AP used: 5% of tanking a second spell.

Increase got limitation 1 use per target wich means if iop use it on self it can't cast it again in same turn to give dmg to self, but it can buff allies around and then for example place a Standard. This is up to an iop where it want to use it's WP.
Meh.

To Aireon:
I like Digging idea and you still have Drheller to make you new mines. I think it's fair difficulty for fire enutrof to not make it easy to target a mine. Though i consider there is need of some buff wich is why i added suggestion to geology.

To River-Song:
This will lend to frustration.
Actually how current Drain works leads to frustration. It's the worst and most useless spell in game. 4AP for 32 base dmg and heal is reduced by half with 2nd doll already. It's so retarded that nobody uses it. And like i've said you either have high water % dmg or high HP. SO you either deal more with drain to heal better your dolls OR you have dolls with better HP and you heal less for them. You have to consider that players have AOe's and those are strong ones. Also sadida should be able to choose between Rust and something else. Using Drain is always making sadida deal lower damage output then it could with Rust used on enemy and dolls but it makes those dolls survive longer, propably 1 turn longer knowing how crazy the damage % of other players are.
I can live with a 32 base damage healing each doll for a 100% damage inflicted; 40 as a maximum.

If it's too risky don't use it.
This is one of the spells and it's fun to risk using it when you feel that you can risk using it. And that change will only make it worth using at any situations. It's always fun when you hit enemy with it, and it's still fun when you kill yourself with it.
Then why do you buff it?

Alright little tanks that make you bound and have 5 MP.
That "bound effect" is not "bound" effect. It only moves you away - you can move back as long as other dolls won't block your way back that is.
What moves you away?

It was just a new mechanics idea.
It would be easier to make:
Madoll have double MP of Sadida
Blocker have half of MP of Sadida (rounded up)
Greedy and Sacrificial doll have equal MP to Sadida.
But i just felt that making Madoll have 5 MP is good enough.
You yell my MP mechanics were crazy and you suggest Madolls with 12+ MP. Still, it'll be better if we leave this matter forgotten.

This will lend to frustration.
Current Totem leads to frustration because it's covered by someone all the time. Even dolls walk on it instead of attacking it. And THAT is frustrating. Dolls, summons, barrel, players, creatures - all can be moved. I understand that some monsters are special and too fat (Crobak Chief, Dungeon boss or Clan Members) to be moved but something like Beacon and Totem should be possible to move. And yes it's annoying that we can't cast K'mir on totem because we can't attack with it via totem. And we can't do that because Ankama wanted to avoid situatinos when you cast k'mir via totem and you move totem's target instead. This is also why totem should NOT be stabilized (to make every spell possible to use on totem INCLUDING K'mir).
Current totems are (excuse me) shit. They need to be like beacons. And no, remember the old Totem? It was a tree, and I don't see many trees moving like crazy around my city.

AP = Hyperaction
MP = Hypermovement
CF = Optimistic (Could work in my opinion)
Yes that's nice idea. OR Critical Success.


Not worth leveling, it's like a weakened flurry that will probably never give you that AP back because of stupid random chances.
It's not an iop, man. And 50% is pretty high.
You wouldn't risk an important thing even at 90%

I do. Conditions: 1 use per pet. HP > 20% max HP
Again, just ideas.
I think you should be ale to heal single pet as many as you want - you are loosing own HP so why limiting this?
HP > 20% max HP is needed.

But; why?
Why what.
What what?

You should waste AP.
No, with phoenix spirit you have this chance to not loose AP to re-summon. That's basically why it's in game. Sadida can sacrifce doll and re-summon it instead. Osamodas can heal when summon die and make those summons back on the field without wasting turn to do that, though it's random that it will happen but still awsome, wich makes Sadida's jelous about that speciality. Phoenix spirit is really cool, though chance was too small to trigger it so i've increased it.
You can resummon the mob in the next turn, and a different one in the turn the other dies. No.

+2 AP = Extra Jabs
What +2 AP? Avalanche doesnt add AP. And if you mean Crashing wave glyph then there currently is glyph that add 3AP. It's nerf to the glyph to make it more balanced and well... placed in water branch instead of earth.
Well I'm sorry I was really tired (if you didn't notice my short sentences and lack of points).

I've fought Fecas using it six times a turn dealing 180 damage with each hit.
If you read some topics you will see that feca's don't see it as OP the way it is NOW. That's really funny but i understand that if you played only as Feca then you don't have anything to compare with. And yes it is overpowered this is why i nerfed it to this 36 damage. 2AP and 1 MP is actually 35 normal damage so it's higher by 1, but got this versality to be cast with MP to allow better use of AP and can be repeated with AP +MP glyph so yes it needed this change. Now it's more fair though i think there could be limitation to 2 uses per turn.... i will leave that to Ankama as they have to decide if Feca should be able to spam those spells.
Ankama doesn't do anything.

Everyone can have insane critical hit possibilities.
That's also the reason why it should be 100%.
No.

It looks like you can't choose which targets to hit.
I don't understand you. You can choose. Just turn around. You hit 2 targets on side. It's like aoe around self that instead of attackinf 4 targets it hits just 2. Like i've said it's taken from beta but with changed element.
It looks like you can't choose which targets to hit.
Okay, I thought you'd get it but here I go and stop trolling:
In your post the range is "0" while it should be "1".

No Ecaflips don't.
They do. There has to be decent water spell in their branch.
Water is not meant to deal damage.

You can have 7 MP by default and with a bunch of bonuses, 17 AP. So 10 MP would be a "oh, bad luck: only 10"
Dude you have to consider that every time they use AP to jump they waste their damage output. So if they want to jump around and gamble to get MP so be it but they wasted their turn of attacking.
There are lots of wasted turns in Wakfu.

But - why?
Again why what?
Why what what why what... what?

Because of lock.
There are other earth spells suck as the one that increase resistance. I would rather fear of that then of lock as there are several methods to avoid lock. As pandawa i would rather use different earth spells then this. The only good thing is that it increase lock so if i want to keep 1 target close to me while taking dmg then so be it. But when i tank the damage wouldn't it be better to have higher resistance instead? That's why there's no need to limit this spell. If you are afraid of lock then you should limit every iop's or sacrier's spell too.
Sacriers are tanks and Iops are close combat.

Don't throw them "to the enemy's camp!" then.
So what, throw them behind someone, only? That's not handy in use - you should throw them where you want to, plan your tactic depending on situation. For example throw sadida forward so it can totem enemy and then everybody can hit that totem, though sadida might die if it won't have any + resistance from karchamrak. It's always good to have 2 usage of Karchamrak. Look at this name: karchamrak in reverse it's karmahcrak (karmachrak). Almost the same. It's like Yin and Yang, Tao, that stuff. IF it add negative effect to enemies then it should add positive to allies. If i want to use karchamrak few times on the same target to reduce it's resistance instead of attacking it myself then i am able to do it, and if i want to do the same to ally instead with increasing it's resistance then i should be able to do it as well. More fun, more tactic.
When Pandawas weren't introduced (Open beta) you didn't get thrown to the enemy camp and everything was fine. You can get there by yourself or wait until they come to you.

You are saying barrel need more alcohol... ok done.
I meant merry. It's a huge nerf now (From 10 to 2)
Actually i feel it's bugged as it should be 5 not 10. Still even 5 is too high if we will make Wakfu game more tactical - pandawa should play for longer before it get drunken. It should even be able to re-summon barrel and pick new one before it get drunk. Making pandawa get worn out state fast only means it needs to be a damage dealer not a support/tank with ability to recover HP when merry (master of merriment). And Merry already insrease damage % so it doesn't need to be fast high damage bonus. If someone want to get drunk fast however, then there is barrelhop and bamboozle.
If someone wants to get drunk fast they don't drink milk!

Everyone thinks what they suggest is good.
Well then tell me why it's not good.
I didn't say it wasn't.

I don't know what I've just read.
Eniripsa under zombification shouldn't suffer damage from heal drain. That's in short.
I said "Heal Drain ignores Zombification" so it doesn't hurt them but heal them. I don't know what you talked and still talk about.

25-30% is the optimal choice in my opinion.
25% is already high with Tock and willpower and passive abilitties of a xelor.
But again gets useless with Hyperaction.

They do.
They don't need it belive it. Spell, aimed well that add AP and doesn't cost WP is better.
Meh.

Why so much trouble because of changing a word?
It's not because of changing a word. It's to make balance in game between elements.
Meh.

Excuse me, but I didn't find anything about it on your post.
Yes there was no info because i wasn't sure about poisoning effect. But in game poisoning effect have max lvl.1 (just like Blindness). So it can be applied once per turn only.
Alright.

Make it 51 (Almost actual damage) and we'll talk.
It's 52 now and it's OP. 51 doesn't change anything. It's too much for a 3 AP spell.
I can at best make it 43 for 3 AP with -13 HP to sacrier.
Jabs = 2 AP; 29 damage.
AP = 14.5
3 AP = 43.5; Sacrier suffers 7 damage so we add it = 50.5

I've died so many times because I couldn't use anything that didn't hurt me (wearing Makabrabo and my Cage of Blood is level 10)
Fire spells are meant to boost angrr and kill fast if you SEE that you have to speed up the fight. In other situations, where you see you need to avoid damage - you use air or earth spells. That's why Ankama made the change to spell system - to make multiple elements builds viable. Going pure fire is viable but hard. Try fighting other enemies, for example few weaker with fire aoe to make them die faster with the small loss to self. And also remember this HP bonus on sacrier's. They have it so that Coagulation can allow sacrier to tank well, while fire hurt sacrier wich only makes this bonus HP dissapear wich means it's balanced with other classes. It's a tank class who turn berserk with fire spells. But it's not supposed to kill so fast that enemy can't even counter it's huge amount of HP. Also you shoudl try maxing Sanguine Armor - use it BEFORE you use fire spell and you won't hurt self. This is also the reason why i removed WP cost from Punishment.
Pure Fire is going great for me.

Make it use a WP instead of MP because "situationally".
Read above. WP is supposed to be used for Sacrifice or Sanguine Armor (or Smasher for damage + nice % of coagulation in same time). There are too many WP costs for sacrier.
You need to choose, also Enis can place marks.

You know positioning is really important for these huge area of effect spells.
Yes it is. That's why this change. You can always use this spell to teleport away and with enemies on low MP you can just jump from 1 side to another. That's why this MP cost.
They will never implement a spell that uses 3 MP.

At least:
2 AP = 20
3 AP = 32
4 AP = 44
Or something like that.
Well, ok, guess it won't hurt anyone (other then those in bomb range xD )
Sigh.

Why on Earth would you need dodge with 13+ range?
Because they need to do something to get back to 3+ range. Map's have their limit's and you don't want to be a sitting duck when enemy get close to you. You could as well give up and quit the battle then. That's why you need this dodge. Especially if fights will take longer. With bonus dodge cra will be able to choose the way to escape. It might decide to risk Dodging and get locked anyway. Without any Dodge it's obvious it won't play with Lock.
Sigh.

Ninja Cras ftw.
In Wakfu anime there was 1 Cra that was pretty awsome in jumping and acrobatics. Don't really wanna spoil here. And "Beacon Sneakin'" is more of a ninja then Beacon Crush. Ninjas don't make such noise. xD Beacon Crush is Cra's style 100%.
Sigh.

They have epic range and no line of sight spells, not needed.
They have only 1 spell with no LoS (if you don't count beacons). This spell cost WP so its limited in usage, still it's viable and will turn Arrow Blow to ranged move too. You can also use it to use long range arrows with 3+ range to attack those in close combat. There is need for that. And current speciality picture fit well.
Since when does it use WP?

Use fire.
It's more of a reckless move, in group iop's won't use it or they will hurt team mate standing there. Air is combo maker on 1 vs 1, but i wanted to add some recklessness to iop's. Could be obviously used well to aoe enemies too. It's 2 cell aoe only, like Shovel. And yet it's smaller then fire aoe's wich on the other hand could be more usefull in team then fire aoe's. Depends on the point of view. It's good to have this change.
Iop is strong already.

[Air][Air][Wall][Feca][Iop]
Iop uses Uppercut:
[Feca][Air][Wall][Air][Iop]
Really overpowered and NOT NEEDED.
Not overpowered. Iop is MELEE. It will give some fun to team pvp or iop vs iop around obstacles.
Clearly overpowered.

Per AP used: 5% of tanking a second spell.
That would make iop the best tank. It's already nice with the change i suggested. No need to counter ANOTHER move. This will lead to frustration with iop's lock. It's like old chafer with it's shield - you waste ap to remove it';s shield before you can attack it. And iop's already have 20% hp bonus. No need for EVEN higher improvement of this spell.
Everyone goes for the Iop in PvP.

To River-Song:
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Well i cant unless it's 3AP cost.
And one use per turn, deal.

• To make people want to use it.

Sigh

• Air doll - it's AI makes it run away after casting spell.

And that pushes you back. *clap clap

• First - i don't yell at you. Second - This suggestion of madoll with 10 mp when sadida have 5 mp (don't lie to yourself there are no good set's that will make sadida go for 6 mp over ap loss) was based on your suggestion with madoll with 8 mp. On my sadida i have 4MP and i can see that madoll would have 8 mp then. Still it's a bit crazy wich is why i suggested it to be 5MP all the time regardless of sadida MP. Now i just got another idea. Madoll have Sadida's MP +1, Greedy and sacrificial dolls ahev sadida's MP + 0 and blocker have sadida's mp -1 (or -2?). Just a thought.

Dolls MP are fine as they are now. /enough said

• I can agree with you on that. Those are not even totems. More like.... "so-called" totems. I do remember old totem and i do miss it. Still i want to be able to cast K'mir on Totem. Maybe it's matter of modifications to K'mir: cast on totem redirect dmg to enemy but pass K'mir effect on totem not the totem's target. This way totem could be stabilized but moved with k'mir and k'mir only. After nerf to woodland stench k'mir might be the only decent air spell and it's still THE ONLY SPELL that cannot be used on totem on class that summon that totem. It's make my blood boil. But i would be happy even with pure-old totems (stabilized, destroyed by pushback) as long as they don't require leadership to summon.

Everyone wants the old totems.

• You would because it's not pure gamble: you deal damage anyway, and occasionally you can get AP back. This is just my suggestion, if you have better one (for this spell), feel free to share.

You'll argue something stupid else so no thanks.

• Osamodas is sadomaso. If it want to kill self with spell - so be it. Other classes can do that too with friendly fire aoe spells. Also this spell should be viable all time, even at low hp - to deal damage to enemy. They are not gonna restrict it to HP %.

Okay.

• This question was made from you. You said Gobup - no. So i wanted you to explain why you said "no", what was the reason, what's wrong with it, what you don't like, what you think should be changed.... You said just "no" and there was no reason from you. That;s why i asked you "why no". Your reply? "but why". And i don't understand what you mean by saying "but why". "Why" what, man? What are you asking for? So i asked "why" what? And now you just troll saying "what what?" like if you didn't know yourself what you wanted to say..... So maybe let's start again and just say why you said "no" about Gobup?

That question wasn't meant to be answered, man, it was obvious.

• I quite don't understand what you want to achive. Do you want to replace Phoenix spirit with different speciality? Because, i'm telling you i only increased % for it to trigger. And it's not made to make you not re-capture creature. It's made to make you not waste time re-summoning, aka to keep summon back (and currently it's to not waste WP as summoning still cost WP). The ap left to summon or not may decide about yout victory or failure. It's always good to not waste them and here comes phoenix spirit for that.

Summon pet. Pet dies. Wait a turn. Summon same pet.
You don't need to re-capture your pets if they die in combat which is a huge buff, so yes you should waste AP to resummon it, phoenix spirit is meant to save you time from re-capturing pets.

• Yes. It's just a glyph so you can simply push feca out of it. And you may ask any feca after the update: glyph's should be worth placing. If glyph has random effect then it sucks.

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• Dude, it's 0 range because you cast it on self. And depending on how you are turned to enemies you strike different target's. Again: you cast it on self. You turn around with arrows and attack different targets. That's how it was in beta. If i will put there range 1, then people will think you aoe target's around the selected cell, and that's not true.

It had 1 range I'm pretty sure.

• Every element is meant to deal damage. Thats because we have 3 different elements on each class. You deal damage as water - that's your own choice if you like this element. Why so much hate to water branch? I personally like water element builds and i have to say it should be equal with fire. If class doesn't have fire element does it mean it should not deal damage? What a joke. "water is not meant to deal damage" omg, really? And maybe air is not meant to cost more then 3 ap? Only iop could think of it that way. Seriously, no offense here, but that was just laughable.

No every element is not meant to deal damage.

• If you want an answer then make normal question, with details. Or else we won't get anywhere.

Same as a little above. I didn't want you to try to answer that.

• And sacrier is not close combat then? The obvious sentence is obvious.

The obvious sentence is obvious and it's obvious that I was comparing them both with the cra. Sacriers are tanks thus they need to be close combat. Chill.

• But once pandawas were introduced (open beta) you could have been thrown closer to enemy (in dungeon: closer to boss for example). And KArchamrak was giving resistance to allies, but in same time it was reducing it... to all (including allies) wich was awkward. If i remember well it was split to 2 specialities. And we didn't wanted to increase the one that reduce resistance knowing we will give less resistance to allies if we do so (and that's how it was). Here i can tell that the whole idea to buff allies but debuff enemies was good and so, there goes this suggestion.

Free MP, -tiny% resistance. It is not even a bad thing for allies.

• Can't tell if its PURE milk.

Panda has been lying us!?!?

• I didn't said you said it wasn't. Nevermind.

Yeah...

• There are 2 ways: 1. If eniripsa is under zombification, then heal drain doesn't trigger 2. if eniripsa is under zombification, then heal drain doesn't hurt but heal. My suggestion is the first one, because zombifications should make healing impossible but heal drain shouldn't make zombification apply an additional damage to the eniripsa affected by zombification.

If they used points in it, they should be healed. It's not that much after all.

• But again it's already adventage when you've reduced AP. The hyperaction was introduced to the game so that you can have 100% of your AP - to not abuse reducing AP and to make pvp more fair. Xelor's should try to remove ap every 2nd turn - that's why there is tick and tock state. You can use air spell that reduce hyperaction levels to remove another AP's later on. Notice that xelors will also gain ap when they reduce ap, and still ap is costly in stats. Class that give something expensive just like that and remove it with the same ease is breaking the balance in game. Also hyperaction sucks because you can loose ap easily even with 10,20,30,40 level of hyperaction... Usually i need to wait to have 70 level of hyperaction to not loose AP, and that;s 7 AP taken from me already. So xelor's shouldn't even try to complain with this nerf.

Oh how I miss old days where Hyperaction wasn't even an idea.

• Stop comparing everything to Jabs. Jabs is too strong for the cost. It's an iop so it got more then average damage in it. If you want to then compare it with all classes first. As for sacrier if sacrier will have 3 ap spell that deal 51 damage then it will have to suffer 21 dmg itself. IF it suffers 7 only then for 3 ap it can have 37 dmg. I've decided to increase it to 43 (with -13 to sacrier) so that it can increase angrr faster with it. Still it shouldn't deal 51 dmg for 3 ap, even with 21 hp loss, it's just too OP considering sacrier's hp bonus. Sacriers deal higher then normal damage with fire spells but that's at cost of own hp equal to that higher amount of damage. They can do that because of high hp and they do that to get angrr bonus.

As I mentioned above both Iops and Sacriers are close combat. Your ridiculous suggestions are not gonna happen.

• Marks work when enemy dies so it;s in the end of combat. Pointless to rely on them in pvp. And choosing is one thing, another thing is the way you distribute your points in specialities. Why sacrier need to level sacrifice wich cost wp, sanguine armor that cost wp, life transfer that cost wp and with 3 wp costs in element spells... it's just too much. It means that it's pointless to even level some specialities as you are not gonna use them because of wp cost. That's why i made those changed to wp cost. Sacrier still have 1 spell with wp cost (the one that deal dmg and give nice coagulation % in same time) but other spells doesn't require wp in my suggestions. As for specialities only sanguine armor and sacrifice cost wp, because they are the only ones that should cost wp.

Ah okay, a Sacrier and an Eni can only kill lonely mobs. Also they are really useful in PvP.

• Wrong. They will never implement a spell that cost 4 MP. But base MP we have at level 1 is 3, so there can be 3MP cost in spell.

Once again, not gonna happen.

• Since i have suggested it. Read and understand: "this spell cost WP so its limited in usage, still it's viable and will turn Arrow Blow to ranged move too." The Seekin' Arrow, man. IT cost wp.

I'm talking about plaguing arrow. Sigh, read and understand.

• So? It's just a cherry on top.

Yummy.

• Clearly underpowered as limited in usage for damaging combo and locking target. Use it wisely, in right moment or you will help your enemy escape.

Sigh.

• That depends on team and map and situations. I can tell you that in beta people were going for cra or eniripsa first. For eniripsa - to kill the healer, and for cra, to make it useless in close combat. Iop's were usually left with sacrier or some summons to not interupt as they can attack in melee only. I'd say iop's are 3rd to attack. And the last to attack is sacrier - because its a tank. Iop got insane damage so it shouldn't be a tank. This is also why people aim at it: to kill the damage dealer. It still doesn't mean that it should counter 2 attacks. What if i don't have low cost spells leveled? Iop can counter me easily then? You know the spell rebound of feca? It will be changed as it was op. For defensive stance i made it so that each AP that iop has left it can use for this spell. It's nice change because even with 1 ap you have 10% to avoid spell that can cost 6 ap. Defensive stance last untill the start of iop's turn or untill its triggered. You can't choose the spell that you want to trigger it unless its 100% chance to block the spell.

You reminded me of a conversation with Finalhour about the Dial being so OP.