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WAKFU Community Manager * Member Since 2012-03-01
posté May 30, 2012, 10:30:13 | #1
New spell experience system In this article you will find all the details about the new spell experience system that will be implemented soon: the exact deployment date of this new system will be announced this week.


 
As you already know, with the previous patch came a spell experience lock for characters that reached level 105, in order to prepare the implementation of a new spell experience system.
This Devblog will explain, as clearly as possible, all the changes brought with this new feature that will be implemented in a next update.

The current system

The current spell experience system works as follows:

  • The more you use a spell in a fight, the more experience you gained to level it up
  • The experience received in the fight corresponded to 10% of the experience gained by the character
  • Once the level cap was reached (currently 105), you could keep on leveling your spells up without any limits, allowing you to level all your spells to the maximum.

On paper this system might look appropriate, but in reality it quickly appeared to be creating imbalance in the game.
In order to better control the overall balance and prevent characters from being powerful in all trees (harming the tactical aspect of WAKFU), we decided that we had to change the current spell experience system as soon as possible.

However, we wanted to keep the basics of the feature that we all like and the makes our MMO so special. That’s why we tried to keep the following functionality, from the start:

  • The more you use a spell in a fight, the more experience you gained to level it up

For the rest, here are some explanations!

The new system

Here are some of the main objectives of the new system:

  • Make it more interesting to specialize in Multi-elements/Multi-spells strategies. Spell experience earned in combats will now be between 20 and 30% of the character experience earned (10% before), depending on whether you used a mono-element (20%) or multi-element (25 to 30%). Spells will therefore receive more experience than before, with a bonus to multi-element strategies.
  • Stabilize spell evolution and allow re-specialization. There will now be a spell experience cap that cannot be exceeded. Once you reached level cap with your character (currently 105), you will be able to gain spell experience until reaching a specific cap. Once this cap is reached, you will no longer be able to make your spells gain experience. However, you will be able to redistribute this experience by transferring it from one spell to other ones. We will come back to this later in the devblog.
  • End the reign of mono-spell. The level of a spell will no longer be able to exceed the level of the character. During the time in which the spell experience will be locked, the experience lost will be made up for, thanks to a bonus provided to the next levels of the spell.
  • Coordinate characters efficiency. From now on you will all have at best, at character level 100, one element tree with 2 spells at maximum level, or the three element trees with each one spell at maximum level. All in all, if you prefer a mono-element strategy, you will have less spells maximum level than with a multi-element strategy. This matches with the objectives we set earlier.

You read it right: when this new system will get implemented and you will all have to redistribute your character’s experience, you will see that you will have more spells higher level than before, since the experience provided changed from 10 to 20-30% and that this experience gain will touch all characters. This means that everyone should be more powerful, and a global re-balance should be seen.

Spell reset

Implementing this new system will lead us to offer a “reset” of your spell experience points. This reset will happen in the same time as the new system.

When this will happen, you will receive all the spell experience points that match your character level, according to the new system. This means that the players who reached level 105 way before the “lock” added in the May update will see their experience rebalanced with the other players, maybe leading to a decrease. This is a necessary step to bring back the community on the same level: we cannot leave imbalance as it currently is in the game.

During this reset, you will be able to redistribute your spell experience freely between all of your spells.

Please note that, as it is the case for ability points, we could provide this reset further in the future, following important modifications of a class or a spell. We will then adapt the reset in order to limit it (or not) to a specific element tree, depending on the situation.

Prototype of the spell xp reset interface (work in progress, in French)

If this were to happen, we will inform you beforehand.
 

Respecialization

Once you reached the spell experience cap, you will be able to respecialize. You will be able to adapt the spell experience distribution, all trees included.

This will happen through a dedicated interface that will be available once you reached the spell level cap (we will give you more details on this interface in another statement).

All will work according to the communicating vessels principle. You will be able to transfer experience from a spell to one or more others of your choice, as many times as you want.

You will just need to place the spell that you which to remove experience from (one at a time) into the dedicated interface. Then, you will just have to fight. The spell experience generated during the fight will not be earned, but taken from the selected spell, and redistributed to the one or those that were used during the fight.

Prototype of the spell xp respecialization interface (work in progress, in French)

Note: a spell cannot lose more than one level per fight. However, the spell(s) receiving the experience can gain more than one level per fight.

Spells improved this way will also benefit from a small bonus since they will need less time to level, compared to the classical leveling. We don’t want you to spend as much time to respecialize a character as you would need to level a new one.
Note however that the balance rule that we announced earlier (2 max level spells with one tree, or 1 max level for each tree) will also apply to respecialization. You will never be able to exceed this rule thanks to respecialization.

We added a simple limitation to the complete system: an element tree with more than 1/3 of the total spell experience (your most powerful tree) will earn twice less experience than the tree(s) that received less than 1/3 of your spell experience.

This limitation is very important as it is the basis of our new system. It will allow us to avoid high level characters having more spells level 100 than other characters.

Last details

Here are some of the last details concerning the way your spells will gain experience in fights. They are not needed to understand the overall system, but should answer some of your main concerns:

  • Spells gain more or less experience depending on how many times they were cast in a fight, the total cost in AP/MP/WP during the fight, and their level when they were used.
  • The experience calculation linked to the use of a spell doesn’t take into account spells level 100 (max level), spells transferring their experience (see the part about “Respecialization&rdquo, and spells with a level equal to the level of your character.
  • Starting from level 72, the experience % will lower along your progression.
  • You cannot access the respecialization interface before reaching the spell experience cap (and character cap level).
  • Concerning the balance rule “2 spell max level in one tree or 1 spell max level per tree at level 100”, this means that when your character reaches level 200 (the day we reach this point), you will have 4 spells max level in one tree or 2 spells max level per tree.
  • Spell experience being based on your character’s experience, XP scrolls will now give you an indirect spell experience bonus during the next fights of this character.
  • Spell level scrolls earned during dungeon achievements will be removed and replaced with dungeon tokens.
 
The explanation is now finished! As you can see, the new system shouldn’t be too complicated! On the contrary, we wanted to make it clearer compared to the current system. However, it required some details to be communicated in order to let you understand it correctly.

Of course, if you have any questions, our team will answer them the best they can!



posté May 30, 2012, 10:39:18 | #2
Redistributable?

More exp being given out?

Supporting Duo/Tri Element?

ME GUSTA

NEW SPELL EXP WHERE?!?!?!
(Soon blizzard tm)

Exactly the "Onimusha" style I wanted.

Nyeheh~


This post has been edited by Zeitzbach - May 30, 2012, 10:51:02.
posté May 30, 2012, 10:42:38 | #3
Hahahahaha finally my multi elemental build will work in a very good way!!! All spells will be in a higher level that's really awesome thank you Ankama-boys!!!  


posté May 30, 2012, 10:51:32 | #4
Cool, now we need more hybrid items.


posté May 30, 2012, 10:52:33 | #5
yay! but then i will never reach level 100 unless i subscribe and even if i did, i'd be too lazy to redistribute :/ i should learn to be less lazy ==" well, my (failed) attempt with making all my characters multi-element will finally work :3 (or at least i hope) (i should stop being so pessimistic)


posté May 30, 2012, 10:53:13 | #6
"We added a simple limitation to the complete system: an element tree with more than 1/3 of the total spell experience (your most powerful tree) will earn twice less experience than the tree(s) that received less than 1/3 of your spell experience."

Wait.. it doesn't make sense we won't get from 20% to 30% xp but from 10% to 15%???


posté May 30, 2012, 10:58:16 | #7
The new system sounds interesting, looking forward to trying it out! Liking the Hybrid advantage!

Let's hope it was worth the wait

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'Q' - One question though, you say that the new system will give you more exp for using multiple branches, from 20 up to 30% battle exp. Now, with the reset coming how will this effect people.

For instance, if I decide to put all my spell exp into multiple branches will I get the same amount of spell exp to distribute as those who put it all into one branch, or will I get more?

Will we all get the same amount of exp to distribute, is what I'm trying to say?


This post has been edited by monixion - May 30, 2012, 11:08:57.
posté May 30, 2012, 11:14:14 | #8
well cuz im a pure fire build only allowing me to have 200 skill lvls in fire tree has completely ruined my build, least you can do is give me back my stat points so i didnt waste them all on int only to find that youve trashed my pure build :-/


posté May 30, 2012, 11:17:57 | #9

Quote (clawdy @ 30 May 2012 11:14) *
well cuz im a pure fire build only allowing me to have 200 skill lvls in fire tree has completely ruined my build, least you can do is give me back my stat points so i didnt waste them all on int only to find that youve trashed my pure build :-/

No, it's not 200 skill lv.

You get SPELL EXP to MANUALLY DISTRIBUTE.

It works the same way as the current spell exp system, just more versatile and you can finally go duo/trio without badly gimping yourself.

you only get 200 skill lv if you distribute all point into only 2 spells.

However, if you distribute them to other low level spells as well, you can easily get up to 350 spell levels.

The spell cost to get a spell from lv 99 to 100 is probably enough to get a spell from lv 1 to 50.

Also, there's the "+ Level" gear so you can just get the spell to lv 97/98 only and use the gear, allowing you to spend even more point on other spells/branches.

Nyeheh~


posté May 30, 2012, 11:19:33 | #10
Thats nice, i like it!


WAKFU Community Manager * Member Since 2012-03-01
posté May 30, 2012, 11:24:32 | #11

Quote (-BlaK @ 30 May 2012 10:53) *
"We added a simple limitation to the complete system: an element tree with more than 1/3 of the total spell experience (your most powerful tree) will earn twice less experience than the tree(s) that received less than 1/3 of your spell experience."

Wait.. it doesn't make sense we won't get from 20% to 30% xp but from 10% to 15%???

The way the system works is that when more than 1/3 of the spell xp of a fight goes into a same element, the first 1/3 is given at 100%, whereas the rest is divided by two.

here is an example:
  • I get 100000 XP in the fight, with only fire spells used.
  • 30% of the XP is given as spell XP: 30% of 100000 = 30000
  • Since more than a 1/3 is given to fire (as I only used fire spells), 1/3 is given at 100%: 1/3 of 30000 = 10000
  • The 2/3 left are divided by two, so 20000/2 = 10000
  • In the end, I receive 20000 XP in my fire branch divided between the spells I used, which equals 20% of the combat XP.
 


posté May 30, 2012, 11:26:03 | #12
This is pretty awesome! Now players can efficiently play multi-branch characters! Now I'm tempted to start a new character just for that, because in the past, building multi-branch characters seemed pretty futile to me.

Kudos, Ankama!


posté May 30, 2012, 11:28:00 | #13
cool

btw - when theese changes are planned to be in game?


posté May 30, 2012, 11:29:04 | #14
"This means that the players who reached level 105 (...) will see their experience rebalanced with the other players, maybe leading to a decrease. " - finally i got the answer for my major question. I will be literally robbed from the time i spent purely on lvling my spells.
Maybe the game will get better with the new system, but im not gonna continue dealing with thiefs - my character doesnt allow me too.


posté May 30, 2012, 11:33:17 | #15
I agree that there should probably be a reset of not only spell points, but of all stat points, so people can 'fix' their builds.


posté May 30, 2012, 11:39:12 | #16
Question;Can i still have 3 level 80 spell and 2 max level spell in one tree at level 105?Also damage/resist bonus from spell levels still there?


posté May 30, 2012, 11:40:33 | #17
Troyle please answer this please!!! I am an air IOP and as you know air IOP is based on combos and for the combos I NEED my spells so if I have only lets say my jabs and gust as max level and will my other spells stay at lvl zero because if so THAN obviously as one can see easily with two skills only I an incomplete DUMB character I am begging you to answer me about this issue?


posté May 30, 2012, 11:45:02 | #18
Actually I never had 2 max spell in one branch;so let me rephrase,can I still get 4 lvl 80 and one lvl 100 spell in same branch?


WAKFU Community Manager * Member Since 2012-03-01
posté May 30, 2012, 11:50:47 | #19

Quote (archylus @ 30 May 2012 11:40) *
Troyle please answer this please!!! I am an air IOP and as you know air IOP is based on combos and for the combos I NEED my spells so if I have only lets say my jabs and gust as max level and will my other spells stay at lvl zero because if so THAN obviously as one can see easily with two skills only I an incomplete DUMB character I am begging you to answer me about this issue?

When we talk about having spells level 100 at character level 100, this is to give you an idea of the amount of spell experience that your character will have at level 100.

The total spell experience received when reaching character level 100, and if you used only spells from one branch, equals the amount of experience required to level two spells to 100.

Now, at level 100 in mono-element, you could still have something like 1 spell level 100 and two spells level 80 (I'm giving random numbers here).

You will still receive spell experience when the cap level is increased, so even though you leveled more than two spells, you will still be able to level some of them to level 100 along your way to level 200.


posté May 30, 2012, 11:55:28 | #20
I am stunt by some replies above...